dunno i think Ted can beat Hasu & th000...but fly100% is wining card here i think :D,nor these 2 tower lords infi & sky can stop him!!

there are no such thing as "orc king". He might be the best orc, but Orcs doesnt deseve kings

I think it was, it was suppose to dmg both units and towers maybe he didnt knew it was his last buildings but pretty sure it was ment to destroy towers aswell.

i guess cd means cooldown and he forgot the item/spell were on cd.. only guessing but that's prob why panda died and he said cd -.-

he actually said one second cool down left. i think he could have killed mk if he got that right and consequently turned table.

well tell me how great did sky play then? Dont say "gryphon split" becouse anyone can do it, even avg humans do it . I just saw sky throwing bolts and focus firing orc heroes and massing towers. And you call orc OP? Fly had economy advantage in the mid and lategame and still he loses, why?

Fly owned mid game (BM/raider = no suprise) but Sky did an AMAZING Comeback which I didnt think was possible for a human being. He played overnaturally good closer to the end but almost lost cuz of Orcish imbalance. All Hail SKY the true wc3 King.

PS. Fuck you naama you got no clue what you're talking about. But ur a biased orc so w/e

Any race gets the mapcontrol when the enemy makes fast expansion

and who is biased anyways? When human kills the blademaster with storm bolt it is overnaturally good micro (almost impossible for human being btw) and when orc makes blademaster + mass raider and surrounds the mk it is very easy and simple and not so skilled. Im not saying that orc is not simpler to play than other races, but im just saying that mk fe versus orc is not harder to play than playing orc is versus mk fe.

Im not talking about one bolt you dumbass. But since you obviously didnt pay fully attention to the game there's no reason for us to discuss it either. But I think most of the guys here will agree with me that playing Orc aka Bm/raiders is so hilariously easy. Whereas the human player has so many things to be take care of and to be worried of (constantly being scouted/creep jacked by a fucking BM stuck in his heel to name one thing).

You can't prevent Orcs from creeping and exping while as an Orc player you can easily creep any spots with grunts/raiders panda while preventing the HU from creeping with BM.

When a HU decides to FE, if he doesn't control his low HP units and minimize flawlessly the dmg taken by his MK (sry no healpot and invis spell for you stupid dwarf), he can lose the game right there.Then he has to adapt his playstyle to the Orc strat (in this case massing towers and farms to prevent raiders/pillage laming) sometime playing blind (how to know if the Orc is going to use his 2 bestiaries for wyverns or raiders ???), think at the best timing push, trying to guess (one more time, that's getting funny) if the BM is near and if he he can creep...
Then when the push comes, he has to micro flawlessly once again, because the main battle usually occurs when his 1st mine is about to run out, which means that he only has 1 shoot.
On the other hand, the Orc player, well N/C, you saw it by yourself.

You took the words out of my mouth Deign. Well spoken

When hu decides to FE, orc must controll his low hp (or full hp) units and try to avoid getting surrounded by 6 footmans and mk and also orc must take care of the hp of the blademaster or it will go down. Then orc has to adapt to the playstyle of the human, orc has to constantly scout if the human goes for t3 or t2 mass caster + breaker + mortars or if the human goes for gryphons. Orc must also remember to research fortified armor for his burrows to prevent the human from doing burrow raping laming. Orc must also think very hard when to go over 50 limit (humans dont need to do that, becouse they got non-counterable basedefense (orcs towers can easily be countered with couple dragonhawks)). Orc also needs to guess (btw this is funny) when the human is going over 50 limit and when he is starting to push, becouse blademaster cant get even near to humans base becouse of towers that see invisible units.
Then when push comes, orc has to controll flawlessly his 3 heroes (btw human has only to control 2 heroes) or otherwise one of them go down and the orc loses. Orc needs also to use his spiritwalkers to dispell the protection scroll in the right moment or otherwise the batriders wont deal much damage. Also orc needs flawlessly decide when to attack with batriders or otherwise the dragonhawks will schackle half of your batriders. Blablasds00sd :D NC u saw it urself an23123dsf

Orc never needs to guess you silly. He got BM to scout the ass of out everything. And there're some serious flaws in your argumentation. Orc has to adept? There's no adepting in the orcish world. Always the same, BM/Raider to start off with, if Hum goes air = mass bats, simple as that. Flawlessly control his 3 hereos? Well then tell me how hard it is to command 100 bats to blow off the air while raping their heroes with 300 crits + mass heals

Scouting with an invis hero, must be so hard.
And also having to remember to research fortified armor for burrows... gosh my bad, Orc is so damn hard so play.

LegendaryLover you think that orc would win human with breaker+knights+casters with mass bats? Theres some serious flaws in your argumentation too. Yes flawlessly control 3 heroes e.g. using invul potions in the right moment, using scrolls and other potions in the right moment, casting acid bomb all the time, casting healwave all the time, casting new spirit link on your units and dispelling the protection scroll of human, controlling bats so that they dont get shackled by dragonhawks, hexing mk/palading.

And to Deign , I already told that it is hard to reach the back of humans base if his towers see invisible units.

"And also having to remember to research fortified armor for burrows... gosh my bad, Orc is so damn hard so play"
I just used wrong words, I meant that orc needs to controll the spending of his wood so that he will have fortified armor before the human comes in his base with few gryphons to destroy all the burrows in under 30 seconds.

Aj, some of that you say might be true. Allthough this matchup doesnt interest me that much I still keep this scetism againts Orc no matter your opinion because it's really a bullshit race and no one can deny it. What's the statitics now btw? I think it just crossed the 60 % limit in the OvU matchup~

I thought we were discussing about orc vs human matchup in melting valley o.O I agree that orc is imbalanced versus undead but I seriously doubt if orc has over 50 ratio vs human in melting valley. I just wanted to point out that its not so easy to play orc versus mk fe human in MV.

peace out

I guess that really isnt his best match up...(tell me one human that has his strongest match up vs Ne)

ToD