Match
ToD2 - 1
GrubbyDate
15th December 2007, 20:21 (finished)
Game
Warcraft III
Tournament
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ToD race statistics
W
L
Win Ratio
Night Elf
vs
Orc
1
0
100%
Human
vs
Night Elf
161
72
69%
Human
vs
Human
61
36
63%
Human
vs
Orc
110
75
59%
Human
vs
Undead
82
57
59%
Orc
vs
Orc
0
1
0%
Night Elf
vs
Night Elf
0
1
0%
Grubby race statistics
W
L
Win Ratio
Undead
vs
Human
2
0
100%
Night Elf
vs
Orc
1
0
100%
Orc
vs
Undead
162
45
78%
Night Elf
vs
Night Elf
2
1
67%
Orc
vs
Orc
163
90
64%
Orc
vs
Night Elf
205
133
61%
Orc
vs
Human
140
94
60%
Undead
vs
Orc
1
1
50%
Human
vs
Human
1
1
50%
Night Elf
vs
Undead
0
1
0%
Human
vs
Undead
0
1
0%
ToD map statistics
P
W
D
L
Win Ratio
Road to Stratholme
2
2
0
0
100%
Neo Lost Temple
1
1
0
0
100%
Death Trap
1
1
0
0
100%
Goldshire
1
1
0
0
100%
The Two Rivers
5
4
0
1
80%
Lost Temple
52
41
0
11
79%
Maelstrom
4
3
0
1
75%
Echo Isles
114
77
0
37
68%
Terenas Stand
75
51
0
24
68%
Secret Valley
63
42
0
21
67%
Turtle Rock
120
74
0
46
62%
Melting Valley
22
13
0
9
59%
Twisted Meadows
99
50
0
49
51%
Ancient Isles
4
2
0
2
50%
Snow Drop
4
2
0
2
50%
Avalanche
2
1
0
1
50%
Gnoll Wood
18
8
1
9
44%
Tidewater Glades
5
2
0
3
40%
Plunder Isle
2
0
0
2
0%
Centaur Grove
2
0
0
2
0%
Grubby map statistics
P
W
D
L
Win Ratio
Amazonia
4
4
0
0
100%
Goldshire
3
3
0
0
100%
Wetlands
1
1
0
0
100%
Tirisfal Glade
1
1
0
0
100%
Centaur Grove
6
5
0
1
83%
Lost Temple
64
47
0
17
73%
Secret Valley
107
73
2
32
68%
Turtle Rock
168
112
0
56
67%
Gnoll Wood
66
44
0
22
67%
Ancient Isles
36
24
0
12
67%
Maelstrom
3
2
0
1
67%
Echo Isles
190
119
0
71
63%
Terenas Stand
78
49
0
29
63%
Twisted Meadows
194
120
2
72
62%
Avalanche
10
6
0
4
60%
Death Trap
7
4
0
3
57%
Plunder Isle
2
1
0
1
50%
Neo Lost Temple
2
1
0
1
50%
Melting Valley
45
21
1
23
47%
Snow Drop
15
7
0
8
47%
Road to Stratholme
5
1
0
4
20%
Tidewater Glades
4
0
0
4
0%
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Rematch of HoT vs FocuS from KotH.
and Grubby vs ToD from Extreme Masters.
This matchup is more imba than UD Orc imo...
Not that "better" and "worse" here can really be defined, but when you see hu loosing 5 peons, then tower Orc base, loose AM lvl 3 plus 9 footies sucide on greatly microed pults and still wins, it s just...
Here it seems to be the same but you need to look at it in a different way:
Tod did a fast creep. It's normal to lose 3 peons. He killed the peons himself. So what do we have now, a level 2.5 AM against a 0.3 Blademaster. Grubby teched fast -> units disadvantage.
Tod recognized the close position. For me it was the most obvious thing, that Tod will TR. Imagine Grubby not going T2 immediately. Tod would have failed horribly.
Now the next thing for Tod is, that the towers needs to be up, because this is the win. Now you see Grubby killing some footies and Tod not microing. So it looks like Grubby's micro > Tod's. BUT the goal of Tod is to kill the upcoming towers, not to save units. It's better to lose a footman, who does one hit more instead of saving him. The same against catapults. I think this is the thing the most orc players don't see. Losing AM after 6 towers are up doesn't matter. It was one before. It the same if an orc loses the hero, when there are 6 orc towers in front of the human base. It's just lost. It was lost as soon the first 2 - 3 towers are up.
You say 2.5 am vs 0.3 blademaster, well what is grubby supposed to do? if he doesn't harass, am hits 3 and it's gg, and even if he harasses he is immediately more than 1 lvl behind.
Seems easier for the human.
Well this is my opinion.... It seemed to be easier for orcs to beat undeads too but there are some undeads, who just changed strategy and win...