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Something about China.
Since I think I have commented enough on Tibet issues, I will just bring something else up.
The reason why some people hate China is mainly because China runs communism and the countries those people live in runs capitalism. Capitalism and communism are like water and fire that can't be mixed. Before, people were told that the opposite is the devil and they will be annihilated in the end. This in my honest opinion can be a kind of brain-washing. Just like not everything in capitalism is as perfect as it describes, not everything in communism is as evil as the capitalists say it is. Basically it is what those two represent againsts each other.
Look, I am not a communism supporter even after years of educating by it or you can say "brain-washing" by it and I think there are a lot of people in China think exactly the way I do. But most of us do believe that for this period of time single-party state does fit it with China best. Being democratic is suitable when the average education level and standard of living of citizens have risen to a certain point. Otherwise it will dramatically hurt the country in most of the directions. It is certainly not the right time for China yet. As I already mentioned in previous post, there are still 0.8 billion or 0.9 billion chinese who are still farmer(in this case they are still living in a pretty poor life) and not well-educated. Just image what they will do or what they can do if they are given the rights to elect their "own" leader. Being ignorant means most of the times easy to be instigated. It will take a long time for them to be really doing what DEMOCRACY is all about. Well time is exactly the thing that China doesn't have since China has already lost lots of time of developing in the history because of invasion by some countries. So this is my point, "IT IS NOT TIME". In maybe 30-50 years, I believe China can be really democratic. Changes need time.
To be honest with you, I don't feel my human rights have been trampled down at all when I was still living in China 5 years ago and so do my family and my friends. Sure there are certainly human rights abuses in China but the situation has been much much much better than it was before and sometimes it is inevitable. Even in some democratic countries there are human rights abuses. So why do you expect China to be perfect and unmistakable?
With China's single-party state, China has growing drastically in economic and such. Nobody can deny this fact. People in China has become to be happier and happier about chinese goverment and this is certainly not like what some western countries say that communist China is going to be annihilated very soon at least not as quickly as they say it will be.
I also need to remind you guys that China has the biggest population of 1.3 billion in the world. No matter how small the problem is in other countries, it will be a pretty damn big problem in China. For example, the gross domestic product aka GDP of China is ranked 4th in 2007 which is just a little bit less than germany's. But the average GPD of people is only 2000 dollars which is ranked 99th. You really need to think about this my friend.
Plus at least PRC aka the people republic of China, has never invaded any country for oil profit and such like USA UK Germany and Japan did or are doing in the history. China could've occupied both Vietnam and India at that time but we didn't because that was not what we intended to do. We just wanted to give them some punishment and that was it.
People of the whole world are more than welcome to come to China this summer and experience the changes that have been going on in China yourselves and we have already made our tea ready for our guests. :)
nasda
Posted: 2008-04-13 23:03:32
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Democracy is ruled by the people, as a Chinese myself, I don't think democracy would be effective in China if our government were dependent on a bunch of peasants.
I support neither the CCP nor KMT. So my following statements are from a Chinese point of view: I follow Sun Yat-Sen's ideologies by supporting the unity between Han, Manchurians, Mongolians, Muslims (Hui) and Tibetans. Tibet belongs to the China waaaay before the PRC was created.
If westerners really want to solve China's human rights issues, please solve the human rights issues in Israel first, they killed and exiled millions of Palestinians and yet condemn the Chinese acts. lol.....
As for the communist party, we Chinese has been ruled by the Communists since 1949, we have lived through it and are proud of both of its triumphs and tragedies. Communism is part of our history, and a lesson as well. We have lived through it, and we know our history much more than you westerners do.
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I support neither the CCP nor KMT. So my following statements are from a Chinese point of view: I follow Sun Yat-Sen's ideologies by supporting the unity between Han, Manchurians, Mongolians, Muslims (Hui) and Tibetans. Tibet belongs to the China waaaay before the PRC was created.
If westerners really want to solve China's human rights issues, please solve the human rights issues in Israel first, they killed and exiled millions of Palestinians and yet condemn the Chinese acts. lol.....
As for the communist party, we Chinese has been ruled by the Communists since 1949, we have lived through it and are proud of both of its triumphs and tragedies. Communism is part of our history, and a lesson as well. We have lived through it, and we know our history much more than you westerners do.
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"Plus at least PRC aka the people republic of China, has never invaded any country for oil profit and such like USA UK Germany and Japan did or are doing in the history."
Well, you should speak with eastern africans about neocolonialism, 'cause they really feel like they're being invaded.
Well, you should speak with eastern africans about neocolonialism, 'cause they really feel like they're being invaded.
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@potatoe
Well, If you insist to call investing in country as invading or neocolonialism then I only have one thing to say: Western countries are basically invading most of the countries in the world right now. And FYI, China's investment is only at 3rd place which comes after US and Japan.
We are investing large funds and sending a lot of people to improve their public service and helping them make their life better in Africa. Of course we want things for exchange, do you think politics between countries is like charity work?
Ask africans to vote on the countries which has the best reputation in Africa, I am sure China will be at least in top3 if not on top.
Well, If you insist to call investing in country as invading or neocolonialism then I only have one thing to say: Western countries are basically invading most of the countries in the world right now. And FYI, China's investment is only at 3rd place which comes after US and Japan.
We are investing large funds and sending a lot of people to improve their public service and helping them make their life better in Africa. Of course we want things for exchange, do you think politics between countries is like charity work?
Ask africans to vote on the countries which has the best reputation in Africa, I am sure China will be at least in top3 if not on top.
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@potatoe
"Ask africans to vote on the countries which has the best reputation in Africa, I am sure China will be at least in top3 if not on top."
No, that's becoming exactly the opposite. France, Great Britain, ect.. don't have a good reputation because of their colonial past. And of course China did not invented neocolonialism, but if you're saying "We are investing large funds and sending a lot of people to improve their public service and helping them make their life better in Africa." you musn't have any ideas of what's REALLY happening, 'cause locals fishermen are being ruined everyday because Chineses fishermen don't respect fishing quota and use net that nets that are way thinner than what is authorized, making population starve. And I could quote other examples.
I'm not a Chinese-hater or anything, and my country is far from being perfect as well, but don't say thing like "the people republic of China, has never invaded any country for oil profit and such" 'cause China use one of most violent form of neocolonialism.
"Ask africans to vote on the countries which has the best reputation in Africa, I am sure China will be at least in top3 if not on top."
No, that's becoming exactly the opposite. France, Great Britain, ect.. don't have a good reputation because of their colonial past. And of course China did not invented neocolonialism, but if you're saying "We are investing large funds and sending a lot of people to improve their public service and helping them make their life better in Africa." you musn't have any ideas of what's REALLY happening, 'cause locals fishermen are being ruined everyday because Chineses fishermen don't respect fishing quota and use net that nets that are way thinner than what is authorized, making population starve. And I could quote other examples.
I'm not a Chinese-hater or anything, and my country is far from being perfect as well, but don't say thing like "the people republic of China, has never invaded any country for oil profit and such" 'cause China use one of most violent form of neocolonialism.
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@potatoe
"cause locals fishermen are being ruined everyday because Chineses fishermen don't respect fishing quota and use net that nets that are way thinner than what is authorized, making population starve. And I could [b]quote other examples[/b]."
Then please do so, your example above certainly doesn't count as invade and "one of the most VIOLENT xxxxx". By saying "invaded", I mean occuping other countries and killing local people. And whatever China is doing in Africa is way way better than some of the western countries have ever done in Africa any day.
"cause locals fishermen are being ruined everyday because Chineses fishermen don't respect fishing quota and use net that nets that are way thinner than what is authorized, making population starve. And I could [b]quote other examples[/b]."
Then please do so, your example above certainly doesn't count as invade and "one of the most VIOLENT xxxxx". By saying "invaded", I mean occuping other countries and killing local people. And whatever China is doing in Africa is way way better than some of the western countries have ever done in Africa any day.
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@potatoe
Considering the past of colonial countries, I obviously can't say you're wrong, but it doesn't mean what China does over there is great. When you starve some people to death, I think you can say killing, and as I said earlier violent neocolonialism isn't so far from invasion.
And I will not mention China's position considering Darfur.
Considering the past of colonial countries, I obviously can't say you're wrong, but it doesn't mean what China does over there is great. When you starve some people to death, I think you can say killing, and as I said earlier violent neocolonialism isn't so far from invasion.
And I will not mention China's position considering Darfur.
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honestly, china has never invaded any foreign countries in history (besides yuan dynasty, but itwas a mongol regime)
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At the moment, the chinese gouverment might be a very good option for large parts of the chinese population because it is very focussed on economical progress what obviously gives lots of chinese people the chance of getting a wealth that seems to be quite equal to western countries.
But right now, China exposes that their progress seems to be mainly economical but not on a social level. I just cannot believe how they reacted on Tibet. It ruined their image towards all western countries and just don't care. For example when the gouvement started ignoring the german politicians after Merkel invited the Dalai Lama. After that, france wanted to improve their relationship to China but now even Paris acts against China:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/ausland/artikel/5/170506/
The city council of Paris just made the Dalai Lama and Hu Jia (civil right campaigner who is imprisoned in China) to Citizens of honor for their risky dedication.
So the European and US espectations toward China are more democracy and more importance of the human rights while the chinese gouverment wants those countries to accept their way of governance.
After the EU countries released all their colonies in the past (well most of them wasn't that successful since then but at least they got their political independence/freedom which is a very if not the most important property on the democratical scale) they can't accept that a country as mighty and high technologized as China still opresses other nations. In our way of thinking, it's a real big mistake and cruelity to keep Tibet in this way.
And you wrote:
"Plus at least PRC aka the people republic of China, has never invaded any country for oil profit and such like USA UK Germany and Japan did or are doing in the history"
But you are still keeping Tibet and other provinces against the resistence of their nations.
Germany and UK renounced from their colonial time and the national socialism (By the way, China seems to be very nationalistic to me? I hope they don't think of "races" o.O). And although the US engagement in the Iraq is very controversial, they NEVER intended to rule the Iraqi people longer than necessary. They supported the Iraqi people as good as they could with their elections and want to assist them making a stable democratic country since dictatorships proofed to be a bad thing for the nation.
And whatever you want to tell us with "Western countries are basically invading most of the countries in the world right now.", the EU and the USA don't try to make the world a war zone. Whereever their troups are engaged, the aims are supporting the local people to help them making a solid state so they can help themselves. China doesn't do so.
But right now, China exposes that their progress seems to be mainly economical but not on a social level. I just cannot believe how they reacted on Tibet. It ruined their image towards all western countries and just don't care. For example when the gouvement started ignoring the german politicians after Merkel invited the Dalai Lama. After that, france wanted to improve their relationship to China but now even Paris acts against China:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/ausland/artikel/5/170506/
The city council of Paris just made the Dalai Lama and Hu Jia (civil right campaigner who is imprisoned in China) to Citizens of honor for their risky dedication.
So the European and US espectations toward China are more democracy and more importance of the human rights while the chinese gouverment wants those countries to accept their way of governance.
After the EU countries released all their colonies in the past (well most of them wasn't that successful since then but at least they got their political independence/freedom which is a very if not the most important property on the democratical scale) they can't accept that a country as mighty and high technologized as China still opresses other nations. In our way of thinking, it's a real big mistake and cruelity to keep Tibet in this way.
And you wrote:
"Plus at least PRC aka the people republic of China, has never invaded any country for oil profit and such like USA UK Germany and Japan did or are doing in the history"
But you are still keeping Tibet and other provinces against the resistence of their nations.
Germany and UK renounced from their colonial time and the national socialism (By the way, China seems to be very nationalistic to me? I hope they don't think of "races" o.O). And although the US engagement in the Iraq is very controversial, they NEVER intended to rule the Iraqi people longer than necessary. They supported the Iraqi people as good as they could with their elections and want to assist them making a stable democratic country since dictatorships proofed to be a bad thing for the nation.
And whatever you want to tell us with "Western countries are basically invading most of the countries in the world right now.", the EU and the USA don't try to make the world a war zone. Whereever their troups are engaged, the aims are supporting the local people to help them making a solid state so they can help themselves. China doesn't do so.
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Before I start I just would like you to get your point straight: Tibet was, is and always will be a part of China. Just go through wiki(even though it says china invaded tibet in 1959), you should be able to know that Tibet had been ruled by the central goverment of ancient China for ages. Even the title of Dalai Lama was directly assigned by the central goverment of ancient China. I wonder how you want to call it a "country" ? Calling Tibet a country is just as ridiculous and funny as calling Dresden or Munich a country. Just because Tibet was once invaded by Britian and was a colony of it doesn't means it was a country from then on. As a matter of fact, almost every goverment of big nations admits that Tibet is a part of China. I don't know how you can just say something like "But you are still keeping Tibet and other provinces against the resistence of their nations" especially when you use the word "province".
Before you even want talk this Tibet issue, you really need to understand what really happened in there on 14 of Mar. It was some Tibetan separatist who were killing innocent Han people not the chinese army killing random Tibetans. what chinese goverment did during this riot was very soft. Even then it was called as human rights abuses by some stupid western medias. I am wondering what german goverment will do if such a riot happens in say Munich.
I am really pissed by how some of german medias reacted on this. For example, they a picture on the website and said "see, China is arresting innocent Tibetans which was actually nepali police arresting tibetans. German medias played a very ugly role in this incident. It was a right choice to ignore those ignorant german politians and even Merkel. Why should chinese goverment give a shit to somebody who has hostility to China?
About the US in Iraq thing, it is not about whether US intended to rule Iraqi people. It is about why US started the war against Iraq. US said that Iraq had MWD which in fact Iraq didn't. Everybody in the world knows that US invaded Iraq for oil profit, not so called "bringing democracy to Iraqi people. I am wondering why you are so blind on this.
I am sorry to say this but most of the points in your post are pretty ignorant and laughable. I am not going to spend one more minute arguing with you.
Before you even want talk this Tibet issue, you really need to understand what really happened in there on 14 of Mar. It was some Tibetan separatist who were killing innocent Han people not the chinese army killing random Tibetans. what chinese goverment did during this riot was very soft. Even then it was called as human rights abuses by some stupid western medias. I am wondering what german goverment will do if such a riot happens in say Munich.
I am really pissed by how some of german medias reacted on this. For example, they a picture on the website and said "see, China is arresting innocent Tibetans which was actually nepali police arresting tibetans. German medias played a very ugly role in this incident. It was a right choice to ignore those ignorant german politians and even Merkel. Why should chinese goverment give a shit to somebody who has hostility to China?
About the US in Iraq thing, it is not about whether US intended to rule Iraqi people. It is about why US started the war against Iraq. US said that Iraq had MWD which in fact Iraq didn't. Everybody in the world knows that US invaded Iraq for oil profit, not so called "bringing democracy to Iraqi people. I am wondering why you are so blind on this.
I am sorry to say this but most of the points in your post are pretty ignorant and laughable. I am not going to spend one more minute arguing with you.
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Munich got more rights than Tibet, especially as a part of bavaria...
And in western countries, there is a right to demonstrate. After chinese police arrestet Tibetan people who demonstrated against the oppression by China, the reaction of german media was a sure thing for a democratic country.
The annexation of Tibet was agred after Mao assured autononmy and religios freedom to the Tibetans.
And in western countries, there is a right to demonstrate. After chinese police arrestet Tibetan people who demonstrated against the oppression by China, the reaction of german media was a sure thing for a democratic country.
The annexation of Tibet was agred after Mao assured autononmy and religios freedom to the Tibetans.
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just to add something:
those pictures/vids were mererly peaceful demonstration by the tibetian people, but vandalism, destruction with no consideration for hurting other people.
those pictures/vids were mererly peaceful demonstration by the tibetian people, but vandalism, destruction with no consideration for hurting other people.
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Fortunatelly, he denied to discuss about this further so I don't have to read this nationalistic stuff anymore...
In fact China fears a "balkanization". They worry about the loyality of other provinces if they give more rights to Tibet. So they have no option from their point of view and suppress the Tibetans whereever they can while they try to populate Tibet with chinese People (at least they have enough for that x.x)
Because they trample on human rights when they do so, democratic countries critizise them since the Tibetans startet protesting. They aren't happy because they fear to loose their culture (50% illiterate plus suppression by China) so they want more freedom. The Dalai Lama even said that they don't need real indepence, just autonomy, but China still calls him a warmonger and servant of the CIA.
So the actions of China are not causeless but still brutal and obviously the fidelity of their own people is much more important than their international reputation.
In fact China fears a "balkanization". They worry about the loyality of other provinces if they give more rights to Tibet. So they have no option from their point of view and suppress the Tibetans whereever they can while they try to populate Tibet with chinese People (at least they have enough for that x.x)
Because they trample on human rights when they do so, democratic countries critizise them since the Tibetans startet protesting. They aren't happy because they fear to loose their culture (50% illiterate plus suppression by China) so they want more freedom. The Dalai Lama even said that they don't need real indepence, just autonomy, but China still calls him a warmonger and servant of the CIA.
So the actions of China are not causeless but still brutal and obviously the fidelity of their own people is much more important than their international reputation.
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Here i agree, that the way of acting by the chinese government is brutal and without considering human righs etc.
The mainproblem is, how to change this in the longterm.
(most probably not by polemics or trying to use force to stop the torch-run etc. pp.)
You won't help anyone given the current situation but to rise up the tension by stupid actions between China and the "Western countries".
For me both parties are lacking of credibility (not just now..).
The mainproblem is, how to change this in the longterm.
(most probably not by polemics or trying to use force to stop the torch-run etc. pp.)
You won't help anyone given the current situation but to rise up the tension by stupid actions between China and the "Western countries".
For me both parties are lacking of credibility (not just now..).
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@T33K3SS3L
You should know that I have replied to a lot of people about this Tibet issue. The reason why I didn't want to continue talking to you is simply because what you said before was IGNORANT and LAUGHABLE. I have retorted several points of your opinion but what you replied was only about Munich. The only speechless one here is you.
Tbh I really would like to talk with people who at least have some sense of talking and who are reasonable. I am sorry to say this but you are not one of them, at least based on what you said before.
So about your latest comment:
China of course fears of "balkanization". But who doesn't ? That is why we see "Chechen"(Russia), "Corsica"(France), "Northern Ireland" and "Scotland"(UK), "Basque"(Spain), "Quebec"(Canada). USA has this kind of problem as well but I forgot the name of it. This is not about human rights but tolerating in the division of territory. There is no sovereign country in the world will tolerate this kind of action because this is the foundation of any country in the world.
As a matter of fact, every tibetan who lives in Tibet holds chinese passport. Big nations like US UK Canada France Germany and Australia all admit that Tibet is a part of China. So what is the problem of your so called "populate Tibet with chinese people? They are in fact chinese people.
If you are so wise that you think you know the "truth" about Tibet. Please enlighten me why China wants Tibet so much? Because China gets great economical benefits from Tibet? Tibet is still one of the poorest area in China. And tibetans have more rights and advantage than normal Han people just because they are minority. In fact China spends loads and loads of money in Tibet on improving tibetans' living standard. And look what Tibet gives back to China ? One of the biggest problem that China has right now. Do you think that chinese goverment is that stupid to spend money on nothing? The only answer is that Tibet is a part of China.
Those people who are shouting "Free Tibet" are actually the minority of tibetans. Most of them are quite happy with what their life are right now. At least most of them don't have to be slaves like how theirs grandparents used to be.
About the Dalai Lama, don't just believe what he says. Some people always say one thing and do another. That is exactly what the Dalai Lama does. Chinese goverment has been played around a lot by the Dalai Lama before plus this riot that took place in Tibet on 14 of Mar(You can't say there is no direct connection between this riot and the Dalai Lama), how do you expect chinese goverment to fully trust him after all that have happened.
You should also know why US and some western countries care about Tibet and tibetans so much? Tibet is one of the most important cards and the only card left to play against China especially after Taiwan issue has been temporarily settled. A former CIA agent has already said that the reason why CIA or USA and some western countries support Tibet is because it is a very very cheap way to keep China annoyed and disturbed. That is why this Tibet issue suddenly become this huge lately. 2008 is a very important year for some anti-china countries because China is hosting Olympics this year and they don't want to miss this opportunity. I have been living in UK for 5 years and this is the first time Tibet issue has been rise to this level ever.
I don't blame you people for not knowing what really happened in Tibet, all your resources are based on your media. If some of you have time you are more than welcome to come to China and see what those tibetans' life are like with your own eyes not through your media. Personally I will never comment on something that I don't know or I think I know, so should you.
You should know that I have replied to a lot of people about this Tibet issue. The reason why I didn't want to continue talking to you is simply because what you said before was IGNORANT and LAUGHABLE. I have retorted several points of your opinion but what you replied was only about Munich. The only speechless one here is you.
Tbh I really would like to talk with people who at least have some sense of talking and who are reasonable. I am sorry to say this but you are not one of them, at least based on what you said before.
So about your latest comment:
China of course fears of "balkanization". But who doesn't ? That is why we see "Chechen"(Russia), "Corsica"(France), "Northern Ireland" and "Scotland"(UK), "Basque"(Spain), "Quebec"(Canada). USA has this kind of problem as well but I forgot the name of it. This is not about human rights but tolerating in the division of territory. There is no sovereign country in the world will tolerate this kind of action because this is the foundation of any country in the world.
As a matter of fact, every tibetan who lives in Tibet holds chinese passport. Big nations like US UK Canada France Germany and Australia all admit that Tibet is a part of China. So what is the problem of your so called "populate Tibet with chinese people? They are in fact chinese people.
If you are so wise that you think you know the "truth" about Tibet. Please enlighten me why China wants Tibet so much? Because China gets great economical benefits from Tibet? Tibet is still one of the poorest area in China. And tibetans have more rights and advantage than normal Han people just because they are minority. In fact China spends loads and loads of money in Tibet on improving tibetans' living standard. And look what Tibet gives back to China ? One of the biggest problem that China has right now. Do you think that chinese goverment is that stupid to spend money on nothing? The only answer is that Tibet is a part of China.
Those people who are shouting "Free Tibet" are actually the minority of tibetans. Most of them are quite happy with what their life are right now. At least most of them don't have to be slaves like how theirs grandparents used to be.
About the Dalai Lama, don't just believe what he says. Some people always say one thing and do another. That is exactly what the Dalai Lama does. Chinese goverment has been played around a lot by the Dalai Lama before plus this riot that took place in Tibet on 14 of Mar(You can't say there is no direct connection between this riot and the Dalai Lama), how do you expect chinese goverment to fully trust him after all that have happened.
You should also know why US and some western countries care about Tibet and tibetans so much? Tibet is one of the most important cards and the only card left to play against China especially after Taiwan issue has been temporarily settled. A former CIA agent has already said that the reason why CIA or USA and some western countries support Tibet is because it is a very very cheap way to keep China annoyed and disturbed. That is why this Tibet issue suddenly become this huge lately. 2008 is a very important year for some anti-china countries because China is hosting Olympics this year and they don't want to miss this opportunity. I have been living in UK for 5 years and this is the first time Tibet issue has been rise to this level ever.
I don't blame you people for not knowing what really happened in Tibet, all your resources are based on your media. If some of you have time you are more than welcome to come to China and see what those tibetans' life are like with your own eyes not through your media. Personally I will never comment on something that I don't know or I think I know, so should you.
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@Itachi_Uchiha
Good point there, personally I don't fully support every action of my goverment. But Tibet being independent and tolerating in the division of China will never ever be accepted.
The only way of sorthing this problem out is the Dalai Lama completely gives up the thought of asking Tibet to be independent then chinese goverment will eventually open the conversation with him. It all depends on him, but not now especially after the riot that took place on 14th of Mar.
Good point there, personally I don't fully support every action of my goverment. But Tibet being independent and tolerating in the division of China will never ever be accepted.
The only way of sorthing this problem out is the Dalai Lama completely gives up the thought of asking Tibet to be independent then chinese goverment will eventually open the conversation with him. It all depends on him, but not now especially after the riot that took place on 14th of Mar.
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- This is not about human rights but tolerating in the division of territory. There is no sovereign country in the world will tolerate this kind of action because this is the foundation of any country in the world.
China took that country making wrong promises and their are few examples for a country keeping a territory they took so few time ago and whoes nation defends against that.
-So what is the problem of your so called "populate Tibet with chinese people? They are in fact chinese people.
There is still a difference between the native Tibetans and Han chinese who move to Tibet to live there. Two third out of 300.000 people living in Lhasa are Chinese and not native Tibetans and those think that this is a catastrophe.
-Those people who are shouting "Free Tibet" are actually the minority of tibetans. Most of them are quite happy with what their life are right now. At least most of them don't have to be slaves like how theirs grandparents used to be.
50% illiterate people, whole school education in mandarin.The Tibetans are forced to spend money on the houses the Chinese build there so they are in debt. The nomads and farmers also loose their independence and sometimes their economic existence.
And what you told about "media"...
Well, western media sucks sometimes, not all are as independend as they claim. But in China everything is censored and influenced by the goverment. There is the "great Firewall" "protecting" the internet from other opinion, they even blocked youtube after some people uploaded videos of the protest marches and street fights in Tibet.
So if the chinese gouverment says that the only fraction beeing brutal are some Tibetans seperatists because China is peaceful and most Tibetans are happy but german media (Stern, Spiegel, Focus, daily newspapers, internet news) write that there is no reason for them to be happy, there are much more people than just some rebels who protest against china and that their culture gets lost - It's definitly not the chinese media that's more authentic.
China took that country making wrong promises and their are few examples for a country keeping a territory they took so few time ago and whoes nation defends against that.
-So what is the problem of your so called "populate Tibet with chinese people? They are in fact chinese people.
There is still a difference between the native Tibetans and Han chinese who move to Tibet to live there. Two third out of 300.000 people living in Lhasa are Chinese and not native Tibetans and those think that this is a catastrophe.
-Those people who are shouting "Free Tibet" are actually the minority of tibetans. Most of them are quite happy with what their life are right now. At least most of them don't have to be slaves like how theirs grandparents used to be.
50% illiterate people, whole school education in mandarin.The Tibetans are forced to spend money on the houses the Chinese build there so they are in debt. The nomads and farmers also loose their independence and sometimes their economic existence.
And what you told about "media"...
Well, western media sucks sometimes, not all are as independend as they claim. But in China everything is censored and influenced by the goverment. There is the "great Firewall" "protecting" the internet from other opinion, they even blocked youtube after some people uploaded videos of the protest marches and street fights in Tibet.
So if the chinese gouverment says that the only fraction beeing brutal are some Tibetans seperatists because China is peaceful and most Tibetans are happy but german media (Stern, Spiegel, Focus, daily newspapers, internet news) write that there is no reason for them to be happy, there are much more people than just some rebels who protest against china and that their culture gets lost - It's definitly not the chinese media that's more authentic.
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"China took that country making wrong promises".
I think, you should rethink about this sentence.
Makes no sense at all, no matter from which perspective you look at this issue.
I think, you should rethink about this sentence.
Makes no sense at all, no matter from which perspective you look at this issue.
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Well, what kind of citizen were asked....and were they able to speak withouth being under pressure, being blackmailed?
But it is clear, that the media are biased, just as biased as the chinese media.
But the show is funny, people claiming who and what is right without real logical basis etc. pp
But it is clear, that the media are biased, just as biased as the chinese media.
But the show is funny, people claiming who and what is right without real logical basis etc. pp
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