About Mirana skill build : Which 1 to be Max 1st. Star Fall or Elune Arrow ? Why?

i go starfall always you have aoe + posible more dmg then the arrow and with lvl 1 arrow you still can get 5 sec stun..

also with the starfall you can farm more easily...

I usually go to:
LVL 1 = Arrow
LVL 2 = Leap
LVL 3 = Starfall
LVL 4 = Starfall
LVL 5 = Starfall
LVL 6 = Leap
LVL 7 = Starfall
LVL 8 = Leap
LVL 9 = Ultimate
LVL 10 = Leap
LVL 11 - 13 = Arrow

But it works on easy games, and the build will depends of the heroes what u are playing against and what u want to do on game.

Well for me it is:

Lvl1 = Arrow
Lvl2 = Leap
Lvl3-5 = Starfall
Lvl6 - Arrow
Lvl7 - Starfall
Lvl8-9 = Arrow
Lvl 10 = Leap

But it depends how well you do arrow, If you are comfortable with your arrow and hit most of the time then you can max out arrow 1st. But for Safer\farming purposes use this skill level as level one arrow also fives 5 sec stun.

There is a guide to play miranra, here is the link:
http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=217572
I found it quite useful.

lvl 1 = starfall
lvl 2 = leap
lvl 3 = starfall
lvl 4 = leap
lvl 5 = elune
lvl 6 = bonus
lvl 7-9 elune
lvl 10-11 = starfall
lvl 12-13 =leap
^_^ nooblike ? ha

I really want to know why? Some international players max arrow 1st...

Arrow can be a strong damage skill on far distances, at least no1 will can run with life (ofc if u make sure about u wont miss ur arrow) at least u can start a gang with a player on half of life ^^.
Everything depends of what heroes are playing against u! And what players.

So u mean, if u play a gank mirana - max arrow, farm mirana - max starfall?

not really ... i am not learning skills untill i see what heroes are on my lane ,,,, so depend on that 1-st i might go arrow/sfall/leap or maybe an atribute bonus sometimes.... so everything depends from the enemy heroes...

btw @Artemus there is no gang or farm mirana .. play the best you can and acheve the max...

@Artemus
A gank mirana still can having a lvl 1 arrow, cuz it stuns btw, but u will have dmg on starfall with that.
Everything will depends of your team and ur enemys, But one thing i can say with no fear, u have to get lvl 1 or++ leap, its easy to get enemys running and to run out.
Arrow i personaly see arrow as stun and not as damage skill (mainly) but i saw some good pro-players and some random players on pubs doing great with Arrow + leap mirana. Arrow is good to maximize cuz that skill have a damn good dmg on single target and stun.
Btw i saw 2 times miranas without arrows (it looks like a sf without raze to me) potm lose all the sense without arrow to me.
I saw like 2 time too potms without leap, that potms kill so fast (when they dont miss the damn arrow) but die like cakes on a gank. Cuz havent the main "RUN FOREST" skill.
But on real u have to play with that and feel what u like more, i never liked to see Acme- is beyond godlike, ever like to see a friend going ahead and carring us with my suport on ganks, ever liked to play gankers/supports and not usual play potm, i prefer qop on top gankers heroes. At least choose ur way and try know all plus and craps of ur way to get ur best. Like i ever liked to say: "Doesnt matters the way, just get a good end to u and your team!"
A advice, get some movies of Loda and Merlini playing potm and check wich skills the went on games and try to understand the why of that build. (I am talking about that players cuz on their teams they usual be potm and is a bit easily to find sk/mym replays than some others teams). I saw some Asian players doing great with potm, and saw some "Youtube" famous players (that players who love to make moovies of the best choosed scenes of their game play) doing great options to go.
But as usual everything depends of the game what u are playing!

@Acme

Yeah, I think the main question is depend to your line-up and what hero are u facing~

Good answer! Go go brazilian Dota!

@Artemus
Ahahaha thx :)
Gogogo Malaysia's Dota!!! :)

Well I always go arrow before starfall. Arrow, leap, arrow, starfall, arrow, starfall etc etc. This is how I think about my skilling: Usually you wont get a kill if your arrow does not hit. If it hit's as it should then you deal more damage then starfall.

So if arrow does not hit then you wont probably get a kill. If it hits then it deals more damage. That's my opinion

Btw u can gank with ur team mates, and with them probably a starfall and leap uped will help a bit more, since stun lvl 1 ~ 4 is the same.
I never think a alone gank, ever on a team gank!
=)

Well it's much cheaper using one spell then two, you save a lot of mana. The ganking on low level like under lvl 5 would be more effective if you used the mana on stun then both spells. Then it will go pretty fast for mirana to level up to lvl 9. So there's not really a big deal if starfall deals 60 less damage to the second target when you deal 60 more to the other target with arrow. There's something more about my choice of skilling I want to tell but I don't know how to sum it up and explain it

lvl1 elune or leap
lvl2 starfall
lvl3 starfall
lvl4 elune or leap depending on lvl1 choice
lvl5 starfall
lvl6 stats/leap
lvl7 starfall
lvl8 elune
lvl9 elune
lvl10 elune
lvl11 leap
lvl12 leap
lvl13-17 stats
lvl18 ulti
stats ulti whenever ^^

I'd say starfall because it's a farming skill _and_ a hero killer which means it's the skill to max out first! That's why I think (:

You fail with mirana if you don't skill arrow on first, She's a ganking hero and she needs the stun, she is no mega farming heroes as luna & co:
Her lasthitting is fine without starfall. You can use the starfall on later level like 8-9+ (with my skillbuid) when you are moving around the map more then you do on low level when you usually stay on lane with some exceptions. When you are moving around a lot then it's important to be able to take a lane fast etc for her farming/pushing but not early when she can lasthit with no hurry.

If you are good with arrow max it ... if you often miss it go for starfall.

uh~Nice....If the game delay or lag? MAx leap?

Ahahaha...jk

Nah leap only lvl 1 until you leveled arrow and starfall to the max^^

i prefer to buiLd

lv 1: leap
lv 2: arrow
lv 3: starfall
lv 4: arrow
lv 5: arrow
lv 6: starfall
lv 7: arrow
lv 8: starfall
lv 9: starfall
lv 10: leap
lv 11: leap
lv 12: leap
lv 13: bonus
lv 14: moonlight
lv 15: moonlight
lv 16: moonlight
lv 17-25: bonus

lol..

nerds

@NikiFM

Who do u mean?

@Artemus
He means that: he is a pro he dont need discuss nothing ;) we are nerds :p... WTH that kind of comment...

Yeah, But i never see his name before in any league~

Ahahaha

Yup
hahaahaha :)

level 1 leap
max arrow
max starfall
reason: you don't have enough mana to support starfall, it is only useful if the enemy is already weak or they are the only enemy within 200 range. arrow initiates your attack with the stun, and if they survive arrow and dps, which they usually do, THEN you starfall.

i get orchid for potm because of her terrible mana problems, so around mid game i can pretty much spam starfall, which lets me farm up like crazy. it also means that i ALWAYS have all of my spells, especially my escape :)

i don't eaven know what are u guys talking bout :'D and i didn't mean u guys.. boord :

@nikiFM

who did u mean? What are u trying to say,, I cant understand u, man..

I much prefer arrow, simply because I can usually hit my arrows so my lane mate (or myself) can whack the enemy a few more times. However, I do find that leap is a good skill to get first just in case the enemy tries something tricky.
I usually go :
Level 1 : Leap
Level 2 : Elune's Arrow
Level 3-5 : Starfall
Level 6 : Elune's Arrow
Level 7 : Starfall
Level 8-9 : Elune's Arrow
Level 10-11 : Moonlight Shadow
Level 12-14 : Leap
followed by stats, and maybe lv3 ult if my teammates are getting ganked a lot, or another situation where it is needed.

@acme
i totaly agree with acme so there isn't anything to say except gogo brazilian dota :) ... no one can understand NikiFM(female)....

@mrvica
Thx :) :D
About NikiFM i think he just saw was writting on the wrong board or something like that hauhua :)

Ahaha...pity u, NikiFM

my english sucks i know :D but, maybe i should left u guys alone =D don't know nothing bout dota :D

@.@ If u don't know anything about dota~ Stop posting and giving comment in dota tread.

Thx

LOL poor guy, he just came and joke ^^
Cya dude...
Lets back to the thread!

ganiking starfall to kill

lvl 1 = starfall
lvl 2 = leap
lvl 3 = starfall
lvl 4 = leap
lvl 5 = elune
lvl 6 = bonus
lvl 7-9 elune
lvl 10-11 = starfall
lvl 12-13 =leap