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Rogue Specc
What is the best rogue specc for pve/pvp and why?
I'd like alot of answers! I wanna try something new.
I'd like alot of answers! I wanna try something new.
Hey mate.
Mutilate: Level 80 Rogue (44/3/24)
Assassination (44 points)
Improved Eviscerate - Rank 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Ruthlessness - Rank 3/3
Gives your melee finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.
Puncturing Wounds - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%, and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%.
Vigor - Rank 1/1
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.
Lethality - Rank 5/5
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%.
Fleet Footed - Rank 2/2
Reduces the duration of all movement impairing effects by 30% and increases your movement speed by 15%. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects.
Cold Blood - Rank 1/1
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%.
Improved Kidney Shot - Rank 3/3
While affected by your Kidney Shot ability, the target receives an additional 9% damage from all sources.
Quick Recovery - Rank 2/2
All healing effects on you are increased by 20%. In addition, your finishing moves cost 80% less Energy when they fail to hit.
Seal Fate - Rank 4/5
Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 80% chance to add an additional combo point.
Murder - Rank 1/2
Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast and Dragonkin targets by 2%.
Overkill - Rank 1/1
Abilities used while stealthed and for 6 seconds after breaking stealth cost 10 less energy.
Deadened Nerves - Rank 3/3
Reduces all damage taken by 6%.
Focused Attacks - Rank 3/3
Your melee critical strikes have a 100% chance to give you 2 energy.
Find Weakness - Rank 3/3
Offensive ability damage increased by 6%.
Mutilate - Rank 1/1
Instantly attacks with both weapons for an additional 181 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 50% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points.
Combat (3 points)
Improved Gouge - Rank 3/3
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 sec.
Subtlety (24 points)
Relentless Strikes - Rank 5/5
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Opportunity - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt with your Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote and Ambush abilities by 20%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Setup - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells. This cannot happen more than once per second.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Killing spree: Level 80 Rogue (5/54/12)
Assassination (5 points)
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Combat (54 points)
Improved Sinister Strike - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5.
Dual Wield Specialization - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%.
Improved Slice and Dice - Rank 2/2
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 50%.
Deflection - Rank 3/3
Increases your Parry chance by 6%.
Endurance - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 60 sec and increases your total Stamina by 4%.
Riposte - Rank 1/1
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and slows their melee attack speed by 20% for 30 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
Close Quarters Combat - Rank 5/5
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 5%.
Improved Kick - Rank 2/2
Gives your Kick ability a 100% chance to silence the target for 2 sec.
Improved Sprint - Rank 2/2
Gives a 100% chance to remove all Movement Impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability.
Aggression - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 15%.
Blade Flurry - Rank 1/1
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.
Weapon Expertise - Rank 2/2
Increases your expertise by 10.
Blade Twisting - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%, and your damaging melee attacks have a 10% chance to Daze the target for 8 sec.
Vitality - Rank 3/3
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 25%.
Adrenaline Rush - Rank 1/1
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.
Combat Potency - Rank 5/5
Gives your successful off-hand melee autoattacks a 20% chance to generate 15 Energy.
Unfair Advantage - Rank 2/2
Whenever you dodge an attack you gain an Unfair Advantage, striking back for 100% of your main hand weapon's damage. This cannot occur more than once per second.
Surprise Attacks - Rank 1/1
Your finishing moves can no longer be dodged, and the damage dealt by your Sinister Strike, Backstab, Shiv, Hemorrhage and Gouge abilities is increased by 10%.
Savage Combat - Rank 2/2
Increases your total attack power by 4% and all physical damage caused to enemies you have poisoned is increased by 2%.
Prey on the Weak - Rank 5/5
Your critical strike damage is increased by 20% when the target has less health than you (as a percentage of total health).
Killing Spree - Rank 1/1
Step through the shadows from enemy to enemy within 10 yards, attacking an enemy every .5 secs with both weapons until 5 assaults are made. Can hit the same target multiple times. Cannot hit invisible or stealthed targets.
Subtlety (12 points)
Relentless Strikes - Rank 4/5
Your finishing moves have a 16% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
i would prefer Fist weapons to this talent build.
Mutilate: Level 80 Rogue (44/3/24)
Assassination (44 points)
Improved Eviscerate - Rank 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Ruthlessness - Rank 3/3
Gives your melee finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.
Puncturing Wounds - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%, and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%.
Vigor - Rank 1/1
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.
Lethality - Rank 5/5
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%.
Fleet Footed - Rank 2/2
Reduces the duration of all movement impairing effects by 30% and increases your movement speed by 15%. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects.
Cold Blood - Rank 1/1
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%.
Improved Kidney Shot - Rank 3/3
While affected by your Kidney Shot ability, the target receives an additional 9% damage from all sources.
Quick Recovery - Rank 2/2
All healing effects on you are increased by 20%. In addition, your finishing moves cost 80% less Energy when they fail to hit.
Seal Fate - Rank 4/5
Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 80% chance to add an additional combo point.
Murder - Rank 1/2
Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast and Dragonkin targets by 2%.
Overkill - Rank 1/1
Abilities used while stealthed and for 6 seconds after breaking stealth cost 10 less energy.
Deadened Nerves - Rank 3/3
Reduces all damage taken by 6%.
Focused Attacks - Rank 3/3
Your melee critical strikes have a 100% chance to give you 2 energy.
Find Weakness - Rank 3/3
Offensive ability damage increased by 6%.
Mutilate - Rank 1/1
Instantly attacks with both weapons for an additional 181 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 50% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points.
Combat (3 points)
Improved Gouge - Rank 3/3
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 sec.
Subtlety (24 points)
Relentless Strikes - Rank 5/5
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Opportunity - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt with your Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote and Ambush abilities by 20%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Setup - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells. This cannot happen more than once per second.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Killing spree: Level 80 Rogue (5/54/12)
Assassination (5 points)
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Combat (54 points)
Improved Sinister Strike - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5.
Dual Wield Specialization - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%.
Improved Slice and Dice - Rank 2/2
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 50%.
Deflection - Rank 3/3
Increases your Parry chance by 6%.
Endurance - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 60 sec and increases your total Stamina by 4%.
Riposte - Rank 1/1
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and slows their melee attack speed by 20% for 30 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
Close Quarters Combat - Rank 5/5
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 5%.
Improved Kick - Rank 2/2
Gives your Kick ability a 100% chance to silence the target for 2 sec.
Improved Sprint - Rank 2/2
Gives a 100% chance to remove all Movement Impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability.
Aggression - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 15%.
Blade Flurry - Rank 1/1
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.
Weapon Expertise - Rank 2/2
Increases your expertise by 10.
Blade Twisting - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%, and your damaging melee attacks have a 10% chance to Daze the target for 8 sec.
Vitality - Rank 3/3
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 25%.
Adrenaline Rush - Rank 1/1
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.
Combat Potency - Rank 5/5
Gives your successful off-hand melee autoattacks a 20% chance to generate 15 Energy.
Unfair Advantage - Rank 2/2
Whenever you dodge an attack you gain an Unfair Advantage, striking back for 100% of your main hand weapon's damage. This cannot occur more than once per second.
Surprise Attacks - Rank 1/1
Your finishing moves can no longer be dodged, and the damage dealt by your Sinister Strike, Backstab, Shiv, Hemorrhage and Gouge abilities is increased by 10%.
Savage Combat - Rank 2/2
Increases your total attack power by 4% and all physical damage caused to enemies you have poisoned is increased by 2%.
Prey on the Weak - Rank 5/5
Your critical strike damage is increased by 20% when the target has less health than you (as a percentage of total health).
Killing Spree - Rank 1/1
Step through the shadows from enemy to enemy within 10 yards, attacking an enemy every .5 secs with both weapons until 5 assaults are made. Can hit the same target multiple times. Cannot hit invisible or stealthed targets.
Subtlety (12 points)
Relentless Strikes - Rank 4/5
Your finishing moves have a 16% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
i would prefer Fist weapons to this talent build.
3x Ambush:Level 80 Rogue (16/0/55)
Assassination (16 points)
Remorseless Attacks - Rank 2/2
After killing an opponent that yields experience or honor, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Hemorrhage, Backstab, Mutilate, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Puncturing Wounds - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%, and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%.
Vigor - Rank 1/1
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.
Lethality - Rank 5/5
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%.
Combat (0 points)
None
Subtlety (55 points)
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Opportunity - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt with your Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote and Ambush abilities by 20%.
Dirty Tricks - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Blind and Sap abilities by 5 yards and reduces the energy cost of your Blind and Sap abilities by 50%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Serrated Blades - Rank 3/3
Causes your attacks to ignore 8 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level.
Setup - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells. This cannot happen more than once per second.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Improved Ambush - Rank 2/2
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 50%.
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Master of Subtlety - Rank 3/3
Attacks made while stealthed and for 6 seconds after breaking stealth cause an additional 10% damage.
Deadliness - Rank 5/5
Increases your attack power by 10%.
Enveloping Shadows - Rank 3/3
Reduces the damage taken by area of effect attacks by 30%.
Premeditation - Rank 1/1
When used, adds 2 combo points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
Cheat Death - Rank 3/3
You have a 100% chance that an attack which would otherwise kill you will instead reduce you to 10% of your maximum health. In addition, all damage taken will be reduced by up to 90% for 3 sec (modified by resilience). This effect cannot occur more than once per minute.
Sinister Calling - Rank 5/5
Increases your total Agility by 15% and increases the percentage damage bonus of Backstab and Hemorrhage by an additional 5%.
Waylay - Rank 2/2
Your Ambush critical hits have a 100% chance to reduce the target's melee and ranged attack speed by 20%, movement speed by 70% for 8 sec.
Shadowstep - Rank 1/1
Attempts to step through the shadows and reappear behind your enemy and increases movement speed by 70% for 3 sec. The damage of your next ability is increased by 20% and the threat caused is reduced by 50%. Lasts 10 sec.
Slaughter from the Shadows - Rank 5/5
Reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 15 and the energy cost of your Hemorrhage by 5.
Shadow Dance - Rank 1/1
Enter the Shadow Dance, allowing the use of Sap, Garrotte, Ambush, Cheap Shot, Premeditation, Pickpocket and Disarm Trap regardless of being stealthed.
People will hate you for using this build!!! i tried once to kill a mage in BG With around 12000 HP i ambushed him and killed him within 8 seconds he dindt have time to react at all. just shadowstep, ambush, shadow dance, ambush, ambush he is dead apx if you got good enough gear and are skilled :P
Assassination (16 points)
Remorseless Attacks - Rank 2/2
After killing an opponent that yields experience or honor, gives you a 40% increased critical strike chance on your next Sinister Strike, Hemorrhage, Backstab, Mutilate, Ambush, or Ghostly Strike. Lasts 20 sec.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Puncturing Wounds - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%, and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%.
Vigor - Rank 1/1
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.
Lethality - Rank 5/5
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%.
Combat (0 points)
None
Subtlety (55 points)
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Opportunity - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt with your Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote and Ambush abilities by 20%.
Dirty Tricks - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Blind and Sap abilities by 5 yards and reduces the energy cost of your Blind and Sap abilities by 50%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Serrated Blades - Rank 3/3
Causes your attacks to ignore 8 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level.
Setup - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells. This cannot happen more than once per second.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Improved Ambush - Rank 2/2
Increases the critical strike chance of your Ambush ability by 50%.
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Master of Subtlety - Rank 3/3
Attacks made while stealthed and for 6 seconds after breaking stealth cause an additional 10% damage.
Deadliness - Rank 5/5
Increases your attack power by 10%.
Enveloping Shadows - Rank 3/3
Reduces the damage taken by area of effect attacks by 30%.
Premeditation - Rank 1/1
When used, adds 2 combo points to your target. You must add to or use those combo points within 20 sec or the combo points are lost.
Cheat Death - Rank 3/3
You have a 100% chance that an attack which would otherwise kill you will instead reduce you to 10% of your maximum health. In addition, all damage taken will be reduced by up to 90% for 3 sec (modified by resilience). This effect cannot occur more than once per minute.
Sinister Calling - Rank 5/5
Increases your total Agility by 15% and increases the percentage damage bonus of Backstab and Hemorrhage by an additional 5%.
Waylay - Rank 2/2
Your Ambush critical hits have a 100% chance to reduce the target's melee and ranged attack speed by 20%, movement speed by 70% for 8 sec.
Shadowstep - Rank 1/1
Attempts to step through the shadows and reappear behind your enemy and increases movement speed by 70% for 3 sec. The damage of your next ability is increased by 20% and the threat caused is reduced by 50%. Lasts 10 sec.
Slaughter from the Shadows - Rank 5/5
Reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 15 and the energy cost of your Hemorrhage by 5.
Shadow Dance - Rank 1/1
Enter the Shadow Dance, allowing the use of Sap, Garrotte, Ambush, Cheap Shot, Premeditation, Pickpocket and Disarm Trap regardless of being stealthed.
People will hate you for using this build!!! i tried once to kill a mage in BG With around 12000 HP i ambushed him and killed him within 8 seconds he dindt have time to react at all. just shadowstep, ambush, shadow dance, ambush, ambush he is dead apx if you got good enough gear and are skilled :P
Interesting question. As far as a ShS spec goes, i think points could be better spent if they were not used in Remorseless Attacks. I usually think of this talent as a leveling/grinding/farming talent, not something that's particularly useful in PvP. So my Assassination tree would have 16 total points spent in it and include:
-Improved Eviscerate(3/3)-The buff to this ability is far too much to overlook
-Malice(5/5)-Not only for the critical hit chance increase, but for Lethality as well
-Blood Splatter(2/2)- Bleeding effects help tremendously, especially against plate(of course)
-Puncturing Wounds(3/3)-Because Backstab is definitely used a lot in this spec
-Vigor(1/1)
-Lethality(2/5)-In my opinion, these are the "left over" talent points, because I find Improved Gouge to be a great utility, and value it over more damage.
For combat, the only thing i pick up is Improved Gouge(3/3), as stated above. Again, this is my personal preference, and have no concrete evidence to back it up.
My Subtlety tree is pretty standard, no real changes that any other person might include except I skip Waylay because i tend to open up with CS or garrote. If i do use Ambush, it's either after a vanish or when Shadow Dance is in effect. In both of those scenarios, crippling poison would be applied, and 20% reduction of my target's attack speed isn't worth the two talent points to me. All in all, i have 52 points spent in this branch, including:
Master of deception(3/3)
Opportunity(2/2)
Dirty Tricks(2/2)
Camouflage(3/3)
Elusiveness(2/2)
Serrated Blades(3/3)
Initiative(3/3)
Improved Ambush(2/2)
Heightened Senses(2/2)
Preparation(1/1)
Dirty Deeds(2/2)
Hemorrhage(1/1)
Master of Subtlety(3/3)
Deadliness(4/5)-One point sacrificed for Master of Subtlety
Premeditation(1/1)
Cheat Death(3/3)
Honor Among Thieves(3/3)
Shadowstep(1/1)
Slaughter From the Shadows(5/5)
Shadow Dance(1/1)
-Improved Eviscerate(3/3)-The buff to this ability is far too much to overlook
-Malice(5/5)-Not only for the critical hit chance increase, but for Lethality as well
-Blood Splatter(2/2)- Bleeding effects help tremendously, especially against plate(of course)
-Puncturing Wounds(3/3)-Because Backstab is definitely used a lot in this spec
-Vigor(1/1)
-Lethality(2/5)-In my opinion, these are the "left over" talent points, because I find Improved Gouge to be a great utility, and value it over more damage.
For combat, the only thing i pick up is Improved Gouge(3/3), as stated above. Again, this is my personal preference, and have no concrete evidence to back it up.
My Subtlety tree is pretty standard, no real changes that any other person might include except I skip Waylay because i tend to open up with CS or garrote. If i do use Ambush, it's either after a vanish or when Shadow Dance is in effect. In both of those scenarios, crippling poison would be applied, and 20% reduction of my target's attack speed isn't worth the two talent points to me. All in all, i have 52 points spent in this branch, including:
Master of deception(3/3)
Opportunity(2/2)
Dirty Tricks(2/2)
Camouflage(3/3)
Elusiveness(2/2)
Serrated Blades(3/3)
Initiative(3/3)
Improved Ambush(2/2)
Heightened Senses(2/2)
Preparation(1/1)
Dirty Deeds(2/2)
Hemorrhage(1/1)
Master of Subtlety(3/3)
Deadliness(4/5)-One point sacrificed for Master of Subtlety
Premeditation(1/1)
Cheat Death(3/3)
Honor Among Thieves(3/3)
Shadowstep(1/1)
Slaughter From the Shadows(5/5)
Shadow Dance(1/1)
Oh, here's a link(thank you Otweezy) for my above comment.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=02500310500000000000000000030000000000000000000000000000320232030322121340135031051
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=02500310500000000000000000030000000000000000000000000000320232030322121340135031051
One last thing, this time it's a PvE spec. Recently, as I'm sure you're all aware of, a rogue in pretty standard gear broke 6k DPS with this spec. I'll post a link to the EJ website, as they can definitely explain it better than I can. It's basically a spec that involves Honor Among Thieves....for PvE.
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t38187-free_hat_deep_subtlety_you/
and here's a link to the WWS for the 6k rogue dps(assuming you're too lazy to follow the other link)
http://wowwebstats.com/n55ioysnmtfou?s=333088-368372
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t38187-free_hat_deep_subtlety_you/
and here's a link to the WWS for the 6k rogue dps(assuming you're too lazy to follow the other link)
http://wowwebstats.com/n55ioysnmtfou?s=333088-368372
haha! thanks alot for all answers! I'll try them out and see what it will be like! Keep posting if you find another specc or if you do any changes to your specc!
I want to try some specc with Fist weapons! could anyone make one that i could try?
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?tal=00000000000000000000000000030500200500000000000000000005300232030302121050135031051
Another Shadowstep spec, but this time using Hemorrhage instead of Backstab as your main move. This is of course a PvP spec, hence the lack of Precision and Improved Sinister Strike.
With the link above, you have 5 extra Talent Points to spend. You could choose to spec into Endurance Improved Sprint and Ghostly strike, filling out Precision and Endurance, or opting for Aggression/Malice. These options would increase utility, dependability, or damage respectively. Personally, I'm a fan of utility over damage. Especially when playing 2s with a mage, or 3s rpm.
The downside to this spec is you lose a lot of damage compared to using Backstab, and it certainly doesn't stand up to the burst you gain from Mutilate.
Another Shadowstep spec, but this time using Hemorrhage instead of Backstab as your main move. This is of course a PvP spec, hence the lack of Precision and Improved Sinister Strike.
With the link above, you have 5 extra Talent Points to spend. You could choose to spec into Endurance Improved Sprint and Ghostly strike, filling out Precision and Endurance, or opting for Aggression/Malice. These options would increase utility, dependability, or damage respectively. Personally, I'm a fan of utility over damage. Especially when playing 2s with a mage, or 3s rpm.
The downside to this spec is you lose a lot of damage compared to using Backstab, and it certainly doesn't stand up to the burst you gain from Mutilate.
I tried a new mutilate specc, you can look at it on my char in sk. I like it but i ain't got no good gear yet so i don't really do any real dmg!
Here are an Fist weapon specc!
Level 80 Rogue (8/39/24)
Assassination (8 points)
Improved Eviscerate - Rank 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Combat (39 points)
Dual Wield Specialization - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%.
Improved Slice and Dice - Rank 2/2
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 50%.
Deflection - Rank 3/3
Increases your Parry chance by 6%.
Endurance - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 60 sec and increases your total Stamina by 4%.
Riposte - Rank 1/1
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and slows their melee attack speed by 20% for 30 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
Close Quarters Combat - Rank 5/5
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 5%.
Improved Kick - Rank 2/2
Gives your Kick ability a 100% chance to silence the target for 2 sec.
Improved Sprint - Rank 2/2
Gives a 100% chance to remove all Movement Impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability.
Aggression - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 15%.
Blade Flurry - Rank 1/1
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.
Weapon Expertise - Rank 2/2
Increases your expertise by 10.
Vitality - Rank 3/3
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 25%.
Adrenaline Rush - Rank 1/1
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.
Nerves of Steel - Rank 2/2
Reduces damage taken while affected by Stun and Fear effects by 30%.
Combat Potency - Rank 3/5
Gives your successful off-hand melee autoattacks a 20% chance to generate 9 Energy.
Subtlety (24 points)
Relentless Strikes - Rank 4/5
Your finishing moves have a 16% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Dirty Tricks - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Blind and Sap abilities by 5 yards and reduces the energy cost of your Blind and Sap abilities by 50%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Serrated Blades - Rank 3/3
Causes your attacks to ignore 8 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Hemorrhage - Rank 1/1
An instant strike that deals 110% weapon damage and causes the target to hemorrhage, increasing any Physical damage dealt to the target by up to 75. Lasts 10 charges or 15 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
Level 80 Rogue (8/39/24)
Assassination (8 points)
Improved Eviscerate - Rank 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Combat (39 points)
Dual Wield Specialization - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage done by your offhand weapon by 50%.
Improved Slice and Dice - Rank 2/2
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 50%.
Deflection - Rank 3/3
Increases your Parry chance by 6%.
Endurance - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 60 sec and increases your total Stamina by 4%.
Riposte - Rank 1/1
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and slows their melee attack speed by 20% for 30 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
Close Quarters Combat - Rank 5/5
Increases your chance to get a critical strike with Daggers and Fist Weapons by 5%.
Improved Kick - Rank 2/2
Gives your Kick ability a 100% chance to silence the target for 2 sec.
Improved Sprint - Rank 2/2
Gives a 100% chance to remove all Movement Impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability.
Aggression - Rank 5/5
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 15%.
Blade Flurry - Rank 1/1
Increases your attack speed by 20%. In addition, attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.
Weapon Expertise - Rank 2/2
Increases your expertise by 10.
Vitality - Rank 3/3
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 25%.
Adrenaline Rush - Rank 1/1
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.
Nerves of Steel - Rank 2/2
Reduces damage taken while affected by Stun and Fear effects by 30%.
Combat Potency - Rank 3/5
Gives your successful off-hand melee autoattacks a 20% chance to generate 9 Energy.
Subtlety (24 points)
Relentless Strikes - Rank 4/5
Your finishing moves have a 16% chance per combo point to restore 25 energy.
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Dirty Tricks - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Blind and Sap abilities by 5 yards and reduces the energy cost of your Blind and Sap abilities by 50%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Serrated Blades - Rank 3/3
Causes your attacks to ignore 8 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Hemorrhage - Rank 1/1
An instant strike that deals 110% weapon damage and causes the target to hemorrhage, increasing any Physical damage dealt to the target by up to 75. Lasts 10 charges or 15 sec. Awards 1 combo point.
But the specc i like most is this one :)
Level 80 Rogue (42/3/26)
Assassination (42 points)
Improved Eviscerate - Rank 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Ruthlessness - Rank 3/3
Gives your melee finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.
Puncturing Wounds - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%, and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%.
Vigor - Rank 1/1
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.
Lethality - Rank 5/5
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%.
Fleet Footed - Rank 2/2
Reduces the duration of all movement impairing effects by 30% and increases your movement speed by 15%. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects.
Cold Blood - Rank 1/1
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%.
Improved Kidney Shot - Rank 3/3
While affected by your Kidney Shot ability, the target receives an additional 9% damage from all sources.
Quick Recovery - Rank 2/2
All healing effects on you are increased by 20%. In addition, your finishing moves cost 80% less Energy when they fail to hit.
Seal Fate - Rank 5/5
Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point.
Murder - Rank 1/2
Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast and Dragonkin targets by 2%.
Overkill - Rank 1/1
Abilities used while stealthed and for 6 seconds after breaking stealth cost 10 less energy.
Focused Attacks - Rank 3/3
Your melee critical strikes have a 100% chance to give you 2 energy.
Find Weakness - Rank 3/3
Offensive ability damage increased by 6%.
Mutilate - Rank 1/1
Instantly attacks with both weapons for an additional 181 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 50% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points.
Combat (3 points)
Improved Gouge - Rank 3/3
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 sec.
Subtlety (26 points)
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Opportunity - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt with your Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote and Ambush abilities by 20%.
Dirty Tricks - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Blind and Sap abilities by 5 yards and reduces the energy cost of your Blind and Sap abilities by 50%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Serrated Blades - Rank 3/3
Causes your attacks to ignore 8 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level.
Setup - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells. This cannot happen more than once per second.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Heightened Senses - Rank 2/2
Increases your Stealth detection and reduces the chance you are hit by spells and ranged attacks by 4%. More effective than Heightened Senses (Rank 1).
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
Level 80 Rogue (42/3/26)
Assassination (42 points)
Improved Eviscerate - Rank 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Malice - Rank 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance by 5%.
Ruthlessness - Rank 3/3
Gives your melee finishing moves a 60% chance to add a combo point to your target.
Puncturing Wounds - Rank 3/3
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab ability by 30%, and the critical strike chance of your Mutilate ability by 15%.
Vigor - Rank 1/1
Increases your maximum Energy by 10.
Lethality - Rank 5/5
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of all combo moves by 30%.
Fleet Footed - Rank 2/2
Reduces the duration of all movement impairing effects by 30% and increases your movement speed by 15%. This does not stack with other movement speed increasing effects.
Cold Blood - Rank 1/1
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next offensive ability by 100%.
Improved Kidney Shot - Rank 3/3
While affected by your Kidney Shot ability, the target receives an additional 9% damage from all sources.
Quick Recovery - Rank 2/2
All healing effects on you are increased by 20%. In addition, your finishing moves cost 80% less Energy when they fail to hit.
Seal Fate - Rank 5/5
Your critical strikes from abilities that add combo points have a 100% chance to add an additional combo point.
Murder - Rank 1/2
Increases all damage caused against Humanoid, Giant, Beast and Dragonkin targets by 2%.
Overkill - Rank 1/1
Abilities used while stealthed and for 6 seconds after breaking stealth cost 10 less energy.
Focused Attacks - Rank 3/3
Your melee critical strikes have a 100% chance to give you 2 energy.
Find Weakness - Rank 3/3
Offensive ability damage increased by 6%.
Mutilate - Rank 1/1
Instantly attacks with both weapons for an additional 181 with each weapon. Damage is increased by 50% against Poisoned targets. Awards 2 combo points.
Combat (3 points)
Improved Gouge - Rank 3/3
Increases the effect duration of your Gouge ability by 1.5 sec.
Subtlety (26 points)
Master of Deception - Rank 3/3
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while in Stealth mode. More effective than Master of Deception (Rank 2).
Opportunity - Rank 2/2
Increases the damage dealt with your Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote and Ambush abilities by 20%.
Dirty Tricks - Rank 2/2
Increases the range of your Blind and Sap abilities by 5 yards and reduces the energy cost of your Blind and Sap abilities by 50%.
Camouflage - Rank 3/3
Increases your speed while stealthed by 15% and reduces the cooldown of your Stealth ability by 6 sec.
Elusiveness - Rank 2/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Vanish and Blind abilities by 60 sec and your Cloak of Shadows ability by 30 sec.
Serrated Blades - Rank 3/3
Causes your attacks to ignore 8 of your target's Armor and increases the damage dealt by your Rupture ability by 30%. The amount of Armor reduced increases with your level.
Setup - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add a combo point to your target after dodging their attack or fully resisting one of their spells. This cannot happen more than once per second.
Initiative - Rank 3/3
Gives you a 100% chance to add an additional combo point to your target when using your Ambush, Garrote, or Cheap Shot ability.
Heightened Senses - Rank 2/2
Increases your Stealth detection and reduces the chance you are hit by spells and ranged attacks by 4%. More effective than Heightened Senses (Rank 1).
Preparation - Rank 1/1
When activated, this ability immediately finishes the cooldown on your Evasion, Sprint, Vanish, Cold Blood and Shadowstep abilities.
Dirty Deeds - Rank 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Cheap Shot and Garrote abilities by 20. Additionally, your special abilities cause 20% more damage against targets below 35% health.
The last specc is mutilate right? I respecced my mutilate and i think it's good now. Don't really know though
i prefer hemmo
shadowpanther.net O_O
hmm i guess, i haven't tried!
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