I want everybodies opinions on what the best spec for hunters will be when wotlk comes around.

Heres the link to the Wotlk talents for hunters:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents2.html

Well im not sure because i don't know what the pet talents are gonna be
but if i go for bm il will try 55/16/0
!) gives really nice pet dmg boost
2) youl never know if the devilsaurs (exotic pets) are gonna better than now for dps
3) From MM it gives nice dmg boos also
But im not complitely sure if im gonna go that spec because Hunting party from surv tree is really nice talent =)
ps: im not good talent tree desingner ^^

u arent right..hunting party is senseless since with the new beta build blizzard changed several things..

In addition to this change, we also needed to address the "mana battery" roles in a raid. The mana regeneration effect they grant is no longer limited to their own party, and it no longer depends on the amount of damage they deal. Each time they trigger the mana regeneration effect, 10 people in their raid group will receive a buff which causes them to regenerate 0.5% of their maximum mana each second. This buff, Replenishment, will be given preferentially to raid members with the lowest mana, but will re-evaluate which raid members receive it each time it is fired. Replenishment is provided by Shadow Priests, Survival Hunters, and Retribution Paladins.

if u have 2shadows or even 2shadows and 1 retri pala a sv hunter is completly senseless..and expose weakness now only affects your own shots :P

marksman will be interesting in pvp because its pretty high burst dmg but its too mana intensely. imagine brutallus :> even with replenishment 30sec and u will be oom. i got a beta key so i alrdy tried those speccs. u kill 2mobs and u are oom. thats mm :P

with invigoration talent a bm hunter wont go out of mana. actually u wont lose any mana. steady shot costs without efficiency 110 mana and you will regenerate about 180mana every
1.5sec

so i guess its going to be something like this:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=522002015050122431025012515000000000000000000000000000005305200000000000000000000

since lower cooldown on rapid killing < 5% more dmg :P especially because u will get 20% more haste because of the windfury totem.

in addition one hunter in the raid will have to place his points in improved hunters mark instead of carefull aim. 1200additional ap -> 1540additional ap.

if the talents stay the way they are there wont be a better raid specc than bm.

@exotic pets..devilsaurs are senseless u will have to look after a great pet in northend but even if u dont find one four pet skill points will be worth being invested in beast mastery :>

on lv70 i d go with somethling like this: (because 3.0patch is going to be released 2-3months before the addon, u will need a specc to raid/play with)

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=522002015050122431025013300000000000000000000000000000005305200000000000000000000

well im thinking that BM will still hold strong for the top dps raid spec. from what ive looked at im thinking 54/17/0 will be the best.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunter=512002015150122431025313500000000000000000000000000000005305200200000000000000000

only thing about your BM spec is you dont have longevity... imo it is worth the 3 points... getting 30% reduced cooldown on beastial wrath in itself is worth it IMO.

but right now, for me anyway, i dont have too much of an idea of exotic pets is going to play out so im going to stick with that spec above before i decide if it is worth the point or not

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents2.html?tal=512002015150122431025313000053051012050000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

IMO

Best leveling tree for hunter is BM with Tenacity pet.
Best 5 man instancing while leveling is BM with Tenacity pet.
Best 10 man instancing at end level is Survival or MM spec hunters. Short burst dps with utility.

Best 25 man instancing at end level is Survival with cookie cutter gear (agility). They have burst dps with trinket and sustainable dps for long boss fights. Utilitarian and sustainabity master.

MM comes in very close second. With haste gear it might even up. Its more of a burst as well as finisher as oppose to a long drawn battle.

That doesnt mean BM is useless. Its just that they no longer are two buttons tree anymore. Passive as well as dead pet = bad dps overall.

Hope that helps.

Ardarian level 80 dorf hunter in Beta.

actually i had see a different talent from wowhead.com, i wonder which is real one -_-"

not sure what u mean nubhunter.

For Classes doesnt Wowhead get its info from WowInsider?

Anyways if one is going BM for leveling purpose. 46/25/0 is the best bet so far. Since Patch is out today I guess everyone can get to test it out for themself albeit at level 70 atm. Exotic pets are more or less cosmetic most pronouce when points are added on the MM tree.

Good luck have fun.

Can you link this 46/25/0 build? I can't find an example of it anywhere.

Okay 3.0 has already come out, now that we ALL got to see the new talents and whatnot, whats is the undisputed best talent build in each category

Raiding/Dungeons

PvP

Best All Around

realy nice to know, thanks all the guys that had engaged with that ;)

didnt work to dl patch, reinstlling :

Marksmanship seems to be great for DPS. +300 from pre-3.0 BM dps. Can't pvp well though.

Ukassasins
70 Hunter
Vindication
Vindication
Hellfire EU

From the few Specs i have tried out since the latest Patch 3.0.2 MM is the Spec i have stayed with for raiding. My Hunter Raids SSC TK MH and BT. Since the patch has herfed everything we just AOE all the trash in SSC TK and BT.

Now since the patch Volley Has been made Channeled Rather than having a 1 min CD. Its Based on AP and all depends on what Aspect you are using. Full Raid buffed I hit 3.5k AP with 38% crit. This includes Flask Of relentless Assualt BOM BOM Supier Intelect. All of which increase my AP.
If your thinking Int increasing AP, Carefull Aim increasce AP by 100% of Total Int.

Barrage

Increases the Damage done by Volley and Multi SHot by 12% ( this is very nice for AOE DPs'ing )

Improved Barrage

Increases Crit change of volley and Multi Shot by 12% and 100% chance it not be interupted while channeling volley.

Now just spamming Volley to AOE the trash down is always gd but i get even more AP from trinkets and Necklass Proc. I have the 41 Heroic Badge Trinket and the Bru Fest 1 which are both the same. Giving 278 AP for 20 seconds.

Now just using volley wih no neck proc and no trinket im doing 1.8k crits on all the mobs with Aspect of the Hawk on. Now when my Necklass procs and i use trinket it boosts it to 2.4k crits.
With all this going i hit 8 or 9k dps on the mobs in MH which for a hunter is pretty much unheard of as MH is normally just a warlock SOC spam and a mage Blizz spam.

Now with the New parts of the MM hunter Tree.

Piercing Shots.

If you dont have any armor Penitration this is a nice one to get. Its both usefull in PVP and PVE.

Rapid Recuperation.

This reduces the mana cost and the focus cost of all shots and fosus ability while you are using Rapid Fire. While in Rapid Fire you gain 150% of the mana back from the damage u do.

Now Rapid fire is a very usefull thing to use noramly for boss fights.
Readiness has been swapped with Scatter shot so u can now use Rapid fire readiness then rapid fire again. I use a trinket rapid fire then wait for trinket to run out then hit readiness then use rapid fire and my other trinket. This also goes nicly with Heroism.

Now as before patch 3.0.2 i was BM spec 41/20/0 the usaly hunter raiding spec. My shot Rotation Used to be Steady Shot Auto shot and throw in the od arcane shot once in a while.

Now i still use Steady shot and auto shot in my Shot rotation but now with Wild Quiver you get a 10% chance to deal 60% damage of the auto shots damage.

Improved Steady Shot.

Gives u a 15% chance to increase damage on ur next steady shot aimed shot or Kill Shot ( Level 80 Talent ). This is Very usefull when doing your shot rotation to get a damage increase on the targert.

Marked For Death.

This increases the damage and crit chance of all shots and ur pets attacks by 10% when you have marked them

Chimera Shot.

Instantly deals 125% of ur ranged weapons damage and refresh's the Sting you have on ur target.
Different Stings do different stings.

Serpent Sting Deals 40% of the damage of ur serpant sting. ( good in PVE and PVP for fast lumps of damage)
Viper Sting Draws gives u 60% of the mana drained. ( good in PVP and PVE to get some instant mana back)
Scorpid Sting Disarms the Target for 10 seconds. ( good in PVP against rogues and warriors )

Now I am currently all 61 points into MM But once at lvl 80 i shall be putting 60 into MM and 10 into BM

My lvl 70 Spec Shows whats in the MM tree currently

My lvl 80 spec will be the 10/60/0

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents2.html?tal=512002010000000000000000000053050012320132531353313510000000000000000000000000000

Only possible problem with MM is if you are in 10 mans or 5 mans, it is a real mana cruncher. Also in raids, with nerfed pot cooldowns you will need to AoV unless you have a ret paladin, which is pretty rare not to have now, though.

10 man Raids we normally take a Ret pally anyways and 5 mans such as heroics you should be able 2 down the mob way b4 you go OOM lol

I raid with 2 ret pallys in 25 man raids so never run out of mana plus never need 2 bother with AOV due 2 the tallent in the MM that gives u mana back. i have 9.4k mana on my hunter and after vash is downed still only be at 7k mana due 2 the awsomeness of raid wide buffs now so mana is not a problem as MM