hostilepulse

really I was waiting for that patch sincerely but now I by seeing how the things are going I don`t want it.These Blizzard staff members seem to be clueless about what really the game needs.Some shitty stuff like "nerf this , and nerf this" will only cause these units` massing in larger numbers , nothing more

Mantraa

Yeah and the fact that the guys asking for nerf usually play on east or west - the player quality in America SUCKS. So when they play it's just they always mass or lame anyways. And if mass headhunters doesn't work vs. mass bears and naga then they get mad and ask for nerf cause they are retarded. Balance coming from noobs is nothing. I don't want the patch either. I think it's all strategy related. Better strategies win over noob strats

dedic

Karune Blizzard Poster

3. Re: Warcraft III Patch Announcements/Updates | 1/30/2008 12:54:01 AM GMTST


January 29th, 2008 - Today, the eSports Team is meeting with Rob Pardo, (Senior Vice President of Game Design), and Chris Sigaty, (Lead Producer of StarCraft II), Dustin Browder (Lead Designer of StarCraft II),and David Kim (Balance Designer of StarCraft II) for the second round of discussions on the balance changes that will happen for Patch 1.22. Many of the balance changes mentioned by both professional eSports players and the community alike, such as 'nerfs' to Human Guard Tower repair rates are on the top of the balance list for these rounds of discussion.

When balance changes are more solidified, I will give you an update on what these may be, and a better approximate release time. Furthermore, there is the possibility of additional Battle.net features to be added in Patch 1.22 that would further add to the longevity of the game online.

Patch 1.21b, the 'no CD' patch for Warcraft III is being signed off as we speak, and is aiming at a release for next week.

VErS

In fact, Blizzard are far from "clueless". There are around 5-6 world top wc3 pro gamers giving close advices to Blizzard about balance issue and Blizzard just "simulate" the fact, that they are listing and paying attention to the comments on their forums . It will be stupid PR action if they say" You are noobs, we dont listen to you, but "Ye, we will pay attention".

geek_nd

One guy from blizzard should post here... :/

LoOpiNg1

i posted that thread.
@threadstarter: you don't seem like you're very bright. I was merely pointing out that the term "esports team" is ambiguous and wanted to know what karune meant by it. I don't know how you conclude anything about pro-gamers or giving patch advice.

SaJ-

@LoOpiNg1
heh thats exactly what i thought when i read the post and this thread.

FunPlayer

no matter what balance changes they make, they need to nerf hacks asap -_-

geek_nd

and new maps...

Mantraa

Read the rest of the forums, there are stupid shit complaints from total noobs who know nothing. I've even seen posts from blue's talking about it and referring back to them. It's the same thing with every blizzard game, it's not just war3. But it's stupid that they can take so much from a lower portion of the community, and not look at the brighter and better side. As for E-Sports teams. Akaing as SK, MYM, BeT, PGS, etc. Pro players, they probably asked players who went and attended blizz invitational. Even so I think it's pretty obvious on what needs to be fixed and just asking for advice from a community of trolls and low skilled players is very tedious and a waste of our time, and theirs. I don't see why they always do this for every game, for every patch. And I'm sorry for being retarded? But as far as I can see, esports teams can't be interpreted in two ways. Esports is an entity upon which teams compete in.

VBadGirl

hahaha yeah pretty much

hostilepulse

@Mantraa
I am not really sure about that.I mean I have heard pretty retarded "balance-statements" by some of the best players , one of which was said by Deadman "Evasion should be an aura!" roflmao !And of course the pro-players are making money from this game so I REALLY doubt that they will be "neutral".If they ask the "Retired" pros , they are not that much in touch with the game nowadays so I doubt that they will give some good advice aswell....

Thats why its good to ask the amatur community aswell but they should find the border between retarded and reasonable....

Sabian

I remember I laughed hard when I read a bnet forums post like that:

"on maps such as LT and TM, sometimes units wake creeps up when the rally point is set across the map".

I was like "wth do you want ?? trees around the fountain on LT ??"

And... the following patch added trees around creeps on Twisted hehe.

So they do listen to these forums.

hostilepulse

@Sabian
GW had same problem and I think that this was reasonable cuz I had seen many "pros" getting their units attacked in that way , simply when u have set the rally flag and your hero and u do some other stuff its kinda hard to follow your units` movement towerds the hero..;;

Sabian

@Sabian
problem on GW was created by the so-called patch and was a minor bug fixed quickly.

But gnolls spots on Twisted Meadows were NO bug. Just the regular creep AI. Micro or No Micro ?

FunPlayer

@Sabian
the creep fix on GW and TM was justified,it ahs nothing to do with noob whining.
Units walking into creeps just cause of rally points was goddamn annoying. LTis another matter cause of it's unique design.

Mantraa

Yeah they do listen to the community, I'm not saying it's that bad, it's just ... you've gotta know where to draw the line. It sucks because the balance developers aren't really paying much attention to game detail itself but rather what people say. If they watched major replays between skilled players who aren't making mistakes average players would make, they'd really start to notice some differences jutting out.

T33K3SS3L

I don't see any problem with this thread, exept maybe that nobodoy knows who exactly was asked?
They won't just destroy any balance and I don't think that they're too stupid to notice the main critisism against the balance?

robih

nice

nerf repair speed of guard tower and let HU be wtfpwned by destro again

i can see tod whining already

and he will be right

geek_nd

I just tried human for 2 weeks, and tbh it's very hard vs ne :O. I managed to beat orc and ud but ne :s, trush is the only solution.

MoonFire

@geek_nd
Yeah you just tried playing human for 2 weeks (Which leads me to asume that you didn't play any other race for long either), and already reached the conclusion that elf is impossible to beat. I am sure your 2 weeks of experience are more than enough for your opinion to be superior to those of players who have years of experience with the race. If Blizzard would just listen to opinions from the likes of you, I am sure it should all be alright.

Fartcry

proposition for masonery nerf is just plain stupid....humans will continue to tower rush, the only thing covered is weaker 20 towers against destro....

geek_nd

@geek_nd
Actually, i played hu 6 month, ne ~9 month too, ud 2 years, orc 2 years.

MoonFire

@geek_nd
Then you might want to reconsider your phrase " just tried human for 2 weeks"

geek_nd

@geek_nd
yeah; btw the time was not the point.

FunPlayer

@geek_nd
in lower levels elf owns human, but orc owns elf there too, so who cares?
Nobody expects you to win a 80 food vs 80 food battle vs an elf, but as soon as you know how to tower + a) rush b) push c) tank you won't have to complain anymore ;)

geek_nd

@geek_nd
yeah, i agree with you. I just say if you mass nerf humans towers, dont forget to buff them too.

MoonFire

@geek_nd
Yeah mass nerf the towers, and them buff them!

geek_nd

@geek_nd
not the tower, humans ofc -..-

Rn_tomyonlystar

i don't think we can use Patch 1.22 in March