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Is elf still imba?
My question to the community is:
Can we still whine about Nightelf, flame nelf's imbalance whenever we lose and kick random nelfs with the leg? Are the times of blaming nelf for everything over? And who will be the next imba race?
This thread is about nothing more than the future of Warcraft III.
Posted: 2008-07-02 10:37:06
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@cosminel
well u just told the same story 3rd time now
so i will do the same
if u substract all wins form the most successful palyers for evry race from the total wins of evry race u get that elves are at 1st place
the skill gap between moon and other elves or grubby and other orcs is not important
just beacuse moon is good it doesn t mean that he s palying a bad race
if let s say hipoteticaly sky would win at 20 of last big tournaments over the past 2 years would u say that he is just a god of warcraft but in reality he plays a weak race or would u say HUMBA?
i bet it would be the 2nd
u are beeing totaly biased here
i think if u take out moon out of equation u take the best 1 out of evry race
that s called beeing fair - u r theory is called how can i make it look elves dont win that much as ppl think
the simple truth is moon plays elves and he is very successful
that doesn t mean he is not a good palyer or anything just beacuse he plays elves
but pretending that elves are weak without moon is ignorant
in reality even without moon elves are massivly dominating bnet at least and also took many important tour wins
i suggest u play a game or 2 on bnet and u ll see how by far the most represented race is NE
is this beacuse ppl like to play a weak race - no
it s beacsue ppl like to play a strong race...
well u just told the same story 3rd time now
so i will do the same
if u substract all wins form the most successful palyers for evry race from the total wins of evry race u get that elves are at 1st place
the skill gap between moon and other elves or grubby and other orcs is not important
just beacuse moon is good it doesn t mean that he s palying a bad race
if let s say hipoteticaly sky would win at 20 of last big tournaments over the past 2 years would u say that he is just a god of warcraft but in reality he plays a weak race or would u say HUMBA?
i bet it would be the 2nd
u are beeing totaly biased here
i think if u take out moon out of equation u take the best 1 out of evry race
that s called beeing fair - u r theory is called how can i make it look elves dont win that much as ppl think
the simple truth is moon plays elves and he is very successful
that doesn t mean he is not a good palyer or anything just beacuse he plays elves
but pretending that elves are weak without moon is ignorant
in reality even without moon elves are massivly dominating bnet at least and also took many important tour wins
i suggest u play a game or 2 on bnet and u ll see how by far the most represented race is NE
is this beacuse ppl like to play a weak race - no
it s beacsue ppl like to play a strong race...
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"Omg, 90% of all players are noob-elves!!11!"
That's because new players get brainwashed of you guys saying: "NE is so imba! Pick ne as your race and u will become pro-gamer in no time!!1!1!!". On top of that, Moon is probably the most famous wc3-player and people look up to him. Of course people play elf.
"Elves win all tournaments!"
Yes, there are more of them, remember? And then again, Moon is the fifth race which unfortunately still counts in the statistics.
"Dryads so imba!!!"
You all know how to counter them, u just won't admit it because you need something to blame when u lose. Probably you made some mistake like letting your tier 2 building get cancelled or something.
"No, I swear, I played perfectly!"
Yeah, right.
"Bears so imba!"
When you don't have the counter to them, yep. Then the game is pretty much over, just like when you see a horde of flying enemy units or when the opponent gets an expo up without u noticing.
To support my argument that the game is balanced, ask any pro-gamer (except RotterdaM of course :P). They will answer that the better player always wins. End of story.
That's because new players get brainwashed of you guys saying: "NE is so imba! Pick ne as your race and u will become pro-gamer in no time!!1!1!!". On top of that, Moon is probably the most famous wc3-player and people look up to him. Of course people play elf.
"Elves win all tournaments!"
Yes, there are more of them, remember? And then again, Moon is the fifth race which unfortunately still counts in the statistics.
"Dryads so imba!!!"
You all know how to counter them, u just won't admit it because you need something to blame when u lose. Probably you made some mistake like letting your tier 2 building get cancelled or something.
"No, I swear, I played perfectly!"
Yeah, right.
"Bears so imba!"
When you don't have the counter to them, yep. Then the game is pretty much over, just like when you see a horde of flying enemy units or when the opponent gets an expo up without u noticing.
To support my argument that the game is balanced, ask any pro-gamer (except RotterdaM of course :P). They will answer that the better player always wins. End of story.
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@TR-vanilla
MYM]Lucifer:
It's a fair patch. In the past, which race do you think can simply mass one type of unit to win, while other races have to use a combination of units but still lose? I think thats 100% not fair!
MYM]Lucifer:
It's a fair patch. In the past, which race do you think can simply mass one type of unit to win, while other races have to use a combination of units but still lose? I think thats 100% not fair!
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@cosminel
LOL.
Soccer won AWL against Top Guys of each other Race 2 times.
Creo won WCG, #2 ESWC #1 Bnet Finals(mass elfs, mirrorfinal against remind)
Remind won Bnet Final 3times, EStars(mirror against moon -> won), #1 CEG
Soju won #ESWC(mirrorfinal against CREO HELLO!?)
U don't really mean that or? You are ignoring the properties of all nightelfs except moon.
LOL.
Soccer won AWL against Top Guys of each other Race 2 times.
Creo won WCG, #2 ESWC #1 Bnet Finals(mass elfs, mirrorfinal against remind)
Remind won Bnet Final 3times, EStars(mirror against moon -> won), #1 CEG
Soju won #ESWC(mirrorfinal against CREO HELLO!?)
U don't really mean that or? You are ignoring the properties of all nightelfs except moon.
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ESL KotH overview: Mass Elf domination.(Remind > Madfrog; Check > Sky; DIDI > Zacard )
Nowadays Nightelfplayer arguing "Its all about moon, without him there would be no NELF domination). But there is no Moon here.
1. 4K.Grubby vs. SK.Wizard(ELF) 3:0 (12th August 2004)
2. 4K.Grubby vs. SK.FaTC 2:0 (3rd forfeited) (26th August 2004)
3. 4K.Grubby vs. Deadman(ELF) 2:3 (9th September 2004)
4. Deadman(ELF) vs. SK.MaDFroG 1:3 (23rd September 2004)
5. SK.MaDFroG vs. 64AMD.Caravaggio 3:1 (14th October 2004)
6. SK.MaDFroG vs. Phoenix_Remind(ELF) 0:3 (18th November 2004) -
7. 3wD.Remind(ELF) vs. Swain[Frienz] 3:2 (29th November 2004)
8. 3wD.Remind(ELF) vs. MYM]Lucifer 4:2 (20th January 2005)
9. Phoenix_Remind(ELF) vs. Mouz.BenQ.Romeo 2:3 (3rd March 2005)
10. Mouz.BenQ.Romeo vs. MYM]Susiria 1:3 (24th March 2005)
11. MYM]Susiria vs. SK.Zacard 1:3 (7th April 2005)
12. SK.Zacard vs. mTw-DIDI8(ELF) 2:3 (28th April 2005)
13. mTw.DIDI8(ELF) vs. SK.ElakeDuck 1:3 (3rd August 2005)
14. SK.ElakeDuck vs. mTw-WinneR 3:0 (31st August 2005)
15. SK.ElakeDuck 0:3 WE.Check(ELF) (12th September 2005)
16. WE.Check vs. WE.Sky 3:1 (29th September 2005)
17. WE.Check(ELF) vs. Mouz.Gostop 3:2 (6th October 2005)
18. WE.Check(ELF) vs. Play.Lyn 3:1 (16th November 2005)
19. WE.Check(ELF) vs. T]MH.Storm 3:1 (7th December 2005)
20. WE.Check(ELF) 2:3 vs. 4K.ToD (8th February 2006)
21. 4K.ToD vs. Fnatic.Creolophus(ELF) 3:0 (23rd February 2006)
22. 4K.ToD vs. SK.Insomnia 3:1 (30th March 2006)
23. 4K.ToD vs. Satiini(ELF) 3:0 (6th July 2006)
24. 4K.ToD vs. SK.HoT(ELF) 0:3 (31st October 2006)
25. SK.HoT vs. fnatic.Rotterdam 3:1 (29th November 2006)
26. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. mouz.Happy 3:0 (13th December 2006)
27. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. SK.fire_de 3:0 (7th February 2007)
28. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. WE.eu.Rob 3:1 (5th March 2007)
29. GG.HoT(ELF) vs. MYM]FoCuS 1:3 (12th December 2007)
30. MYM]Focus vs. mTw.Hanf(ELF) 3:1(22nd January 2008)
31 MYM]Focus vs. fnatic.Space 3:1 (22nd July 2008)
Nowadays Nightelfplayer arguing "Its all about moon, without him there would be no NELF domination). But there is no Moon here.
1. 4K.Grubby vs. SK.Wizard(ELF) 3:0 (12th August 2004)
2. 4K.Grubby vs. SK.FaTC 2:0 (3rd forfeited) (26th August 2004)
3. 4K.Grubby vs. Deadman(ELF) 2:3 (9th September 2004)
4. Deadman(ELF) vs. SK.MaDFroG 1:3 (23rd September 2004)
5. SK.MaDFroG vs. 64AMD.Caravaggio 3:1 (14th October 2004)
6. SK.MaDFroG vs. Phoenix_Remind(ELF) 0:3 (18th November 2004) -
7. 3wD.Remind(ELF) vs. Swain[Frienz] 3:2 (29th November 2004)
8. 3wD.Remind(ELF) vs. MYM]Lucifer 4:2 (20th January 2005)
9. Phoenix_Remind(ELF) vs. Mouz.BenQ.Romeo 2:3 (3rd March 2005)
10. Mouz.BenQ.Romeo vs. MYM]Susiria 1:3 (24th March 2005)
11. MYM]Susiria vs. SK.Zacard 1:3 (7th April 2005)
12. SK.Zacard vs. mTw-DIDI8(ELF) 2:3 (28th April 2005)
13. mTw.DIDI8(ELF) vs. SK.ElakeDuck 1:3 (3rd August 2005)
14. SK.ElakeDuck vs. mTw-WinneR 3:0 (31st August 2005)
15. SK.ElakeDuck 0:3 WE.Check(ELF) (12th September 2005)
16. WE.Check vs. WE.Sky 3:1 (29th September 2005)
17. WE.Check(ELF) vs. Mouz.Gostop 3:2 (6th October 2005)
18. WE.Check(ELF) vs. Play.Lyn 3:1 (16th November 2005)
19. WE.Check(ELF) vs. T]MH.Storm 3:1 (7th December 2005)
20. WE.Check(ELF) 2:3 vs. 4K.ToD (8th February 2006)
21. 4K.ToD vs. Fnatic.Creolophus(ELF) 3:0 (23rd February 2006)
22. 4K.ToD vs. SK.Insomnia 3:1 (30th March 2006)
23. 4K.ToD vs. Satiini(ELF) 3:0 (6th July 2006)
24. 4K.ToD vs. SK.HoT(ELF) 0:3 (31st October 2006)
25. SK.HoT vs. fnatic.Rotterdam 3:1 (29th November 2006)
26. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. mouz.Happy 3:0 (13th December 2006)
27. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. SK.fire_de 3:0 (7th February 2007)
28. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. WE.eu.Rob 3:1 (5th March 2007)
29. GG.HoT(ELF) vs. MYM]FoCuS 1:3 (12th December 2007)
30. MYM]Focus vs. mTw.Hanf(ELF) 3:1(22nd January 2008)
31 MYM]Focus vs. fnatic.Space 3:1 (22nd July 2008)
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@Schnuggles
You are wrong. I'm not playing Nightelf.
You are wrong. I'm not playing Nightelf.
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This match up depends on the map. That's all.
HU: LT, GW, TR (if closepose)
NE: TM, GW (if closepose), TR
btw, what do you think about Terenas Stand? I think warden mass t1 is overpowered on it but some guys says that this map is for humans.
The other maps are quiet balanced
HU: LT, GW, TR (if closepose)
NE: TM, GW (if closepose), TR
btw, what do you think about Terenas Stand? I think warden mass t1 is overpowered on it but some guys says that this map is for humans.
The other maps are quiet balanced
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@Overkikoolol
Dark ranger is just broken, especially on maps like TS and EI, with lots of little creeps for 1729461827 skeletons in 6 minutes with noobelf. WTF.
Dark ranger is just broken, especially on maps like TS and EI, with lots of little creeps for 1729461827 skeletons in 6 minutes with noobelf. WTF.
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Th000 vs Xyligan on TS.
http://www.esl.eu/eu/wc3l/season14/download/8780375/
Th000(Nightelf) > Ted 3rd Game ESWC China
Nightelf at its best.
http://www.esl.eu/eu/wc3l/season14/download/8780375/
Th000(Nightelf) > Ted 3rd Game ESWC China
Nightelf at its best.
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@FunPlayer
Hey what? Remind > Xiaot? I think the match on TS showed the nightelf imbaness. Xiaot played so bad. 8:0 Herokills, E I G H T Funplayer :).
If u lose ur Orc heros 1-2 times in early, game will be over. No mass hero revieve, no staff, no tier3, impossible to defend the orc base. Xiaot lost every single fight and was able to come back again and again. And pls take a look @supply and herolevels. If Remind played Nightelf and Xiaot Orc, and Remind was able to kill 2 Orc Heros in early game, the game would have been over within first 10 minutes.The Game lasted 20 minutes even though Remind was dominating from minute 1 to 20. This match proved only 1 thing. NE = Imba.
Hey what? Remind > Xiaot? I think the match on TS showed the nightelf imbaness. Xiaot played so bad. 8:0 Herokills, E I G H T Funplayer :).
If u lose ur Orc heros 1-2 times in early, game will be over. No mass hero revieve, no staff, no tier3, impossible to defend the orc base. Xiaot lost every single fight and was able to come back again and again. And pls take a look @supply and herolevels. If Remind played Nightelf and Xiaot Orc, and Remind was able to kill 2 Orc Heros in early game, the game would have been over within first 10 minutes.The Game lasted 20 minutes even though Remind was dominating from minute 1 to 20. This match proved only 1 thing. NE = Imba.
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@FunPlayer
classic.
Orc wins = elf imba.
Grubby beats Moon in reversed match = elf imba and no skill
You've been whining about that match for years, I guess. Now that it's the other way round, orc beating elf ALSO proves that elf is imba.
Gosh, I hope one day you wake up and realize how dumb you are.
classic.
Orc wins = elf imba.
Grubby beats Moon in reversed match = elf imba and no skill
You've been whining about that match for years, I guess. Now that it's the other way round, orc beating elf ALSO proves that elf is imba.
Gosh, I hope one day you wake up and realize how dumb you are.
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@BoMbiNi
Sase > Tod, Southsea > Lucifer. Of Course Southsea lost the mirrormatch vs Hovermoon because it only depends on LUCK.
Sase > Tod, Southsea > Lucifer. Of Course Southsea lost the mirrormatch vs Hovermoon because it only depends on LUCK.
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Anyone else gets headache from reading this thread? Oo
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@TrappedUnderIce
surely from reading schnuggels' posts :D
Some people's heads might spin around cause of all his fancy contradictions. A random elf beating another random elf makes elf mirror... balanced? or random?
And lol @ Sase > Tod. http://www.sk-gaming.com/forum/12/1334709-kaspa__sase_Xdddd
Give up schnuggels, you're dumb.
surely from reading schnuggels' posts :D
Some people's heads might spin around cause of all his fancy contradictions. A random elf beating another random elf makes elf mirror... balanced? or random?
And lol @ Sase > Tod. http://www.sk-gaming.com/forum/12/1334709-kaspa__sase_Xdddd
Give up schnuggels, you're dumb.
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SK vs MYM.
Remind > Grubby
Soccer > Reign
Soju > 5th Race.
Reign vs Soccer Game1. Reign was at least equal :).
Moon lost against Hu? Orc? Ud? :p
Remind > Grubby
Soccer > Reign
Soju > 5th Race.
Reign vs Soccer Game1. Reign was at least equal :).
Moon lost against Hu? Orc? Ud? :p
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Zotac cup: last rounds full of NEs, finals NE mirror.
coincidence or not ?`
coincidence or not ?`
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@FunPlayer
Korea Blizzcon Quali? 8 Players, 5 Nightelfs, Moon out, Soccer out -> Remind, Check, Lyn(2 Nightelfs) So what Funflamer?
Korea Blizzcon Quali? 8 Players, 5 Nightelfs, Moon out, Soccer out -> Remind, Check, Lyn(2 Nightelfs) So what Funflamer?
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@FunPlayer
Yeah Moon lost vs Lyn and that means Orc imba? "ROFL*
Soju won vs Lyn @ESWC, Ted won vs Lyn @ESWC, REIGN won vs Lyn @ESWC, HLA won vs Lyn @Wc3l so maybe MOON just played bad? Moon played so bad(YES even the fifth race can play bs) Moon also lost vs Remind?(imba mirror?) Check was able to beat Lyn twice so what?
So 3 Players managed it to reach the blizzcon tourney. LYN(ORC), REMIND(NELF), Check(NELF).
Yeah Moon lost vs Lyn and that means Orc imba? "ROFL*
Soju won vs Lyn @ESWC, Ted won vs Lyn @ESWC, REIGN won vs Lyn @ESWC, HLA won vs Lyn @Wc3l so maybe MOON just played bad? Moon played so bad(YES even the fifth race can play bs) Moon also lost vs Remind?(imba mirror?) Check was able to beat Lyn twice so what?
So 3 Players managed it to reach the blizzcon tourney. LYN(ORC), REMIND(NELF), Check(NELF).
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Elf is not imbalanced.
They are strong.
BIG difference.
They are strong.
BIG difference.
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