jeromederbuckel

source or good troll?

DragoniZer

It might be true, if he realy said it. ->link wo the interview please

reis

reign is one of the youngest in the pro gaming scene. before he goes to the military the rest have to go first.

ekknite

that pretty much clears it up...

Or else he wants to go army first to deal with that first ;x
By the way, how long do you have to serve in the army in korea ? 2-3 years ?

geek_nd

@ekknite
Dunno, but in France it's one day :D

geek_nd

@ekknite
btw it's 3 years if I remember

hypnosed

@ekknite
3 years ??? oO

geek_nd

@ekknite
hmm it's 22 to 28 month in fact :x

FunPlayer

@ekknite
"Dunno, but in France it's one day :D"

cause that's usually how long your wars last before you surrender.

geek_nd

@ekknite
hoho, take care about what you say.

Mantraa

When I was talking to Ohjie about it like a month ago he said it's only 2 years. Could be wrong but I doubt the Korean Army is keen on keeping gamers for more than 2 years just because the physical stature of these guys compared to others probably isn't the best :P

hostilepulse

I am so glad that the army here is nowadays voluntary ^_^

hostilepulse

@ekknite
Actually during WWI the germans get their ass kicked quite hard twice near the river of Marna so I wouldn`t say so

geek_nd

@ekknite
Who lost WWs? France? lol. xD

danamann

@ekknite
I was referring to FunPlayer guys,, use your brains please...

FunPlayer

@Mantraa
aren't you the guy who's Fury's best friend and has Grubby, Liil and all other European pros in his contact list? yeah man, cool, cool.

weasel_

why everybody say somthing old and and then write discuss....
why to discuss ?

MostWantedLover

@ekknite
I agree with you even though Germany lost, they made the all-mighty France to surrender :D Nothing personal to the french people i just dislike your football team =)

-ArchAngel-

@ekknite
Stop bashing Germans just because they lost. They almost fought a 1 v N battle against the other world powers (Austria-Hungary was less than impressive in WWI, and Italy in WWII was just LOL), and ALMOST won. Should Moltke have stuck to the original Schlieffen plan, or if Falkenhayn sat behind his trenches instead of launching an all-in (Verdun), Germany might as well have won WWI. They had powerful feeding machines in the Balkans and from areas of Russia taken over.

And if Japan didnt bomb Pearl Harbor (strategical blunder), or even if they bombed it 6 months later, Germany would probably have won WWII (German artillery could already smash downtown Moscow). Even then, Hitler JUST MISSED taking Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad.

It is already an amazing feat.

Mantraa

@Mantraa
lol no, I'm not FuRy's best friend and I don't have other euro pros on my contact list, but I did ask Ohjie about it cause he has to leave soon and I wanted to know if he was coming back for SC2. He said it was two years and he was done and I just wanted to answer that question.

danamann

@ekknite
Also not the smartest move from Germany to declare war to America...

geek_nd

@ekknite
they were with japan which did, so they had to. Btw wtf are we talking about what Hitler had to do? ://

revail

@weasel_
plz discuss why people say something old and then write discss

snoRR

@ekknite
# funplyaer
france actually fighted for a very long time when napoelon bonaparte was alive :P

Siever

might be true, he is also at the age:D

-AceZ-

@ekknite
How can the french guys say germany lost the war? I mean it's right, they lost world war 1 and 2 but the french are seeing their ass kicked in every war since Napoleons reigning period and always had to rely on their allies of which they in deed had a lot. Kanada, USA, England, Russia, Australia, almost every other country there was and it still took like 6 years to stop hitler.

hostilepulse

@ekknite
Actually Germany didn`t really have any real chances of winning WWII , even if they had taken Staligrad , Leningrad and Moscow ? So What?All war-production was moved beyond the moutain of Ural and the Solviet machine was already gaining "speed".1943/4 the situation on the Eastern front was 6:1 in favour of the Russians.If Germany had attacked around April/May they could force USSA to surrender and still it woudln`t be sure.Remember Napoleon entered into Moscow but this didn`t guaranteed him the win.The World War is quite different from the "ordinary" war

geek_nd

@ekknite
AceZ => WWI?
And don't forget resistance which did a lot in this war. If France had totally lose this war and did nothing to make themselves free, De Gaulle could'nt take the France control after the war. Btw i am not gonna teach you history go back to school.

idLe-Roneo

you know , my grand-mother used to do some great cakes in the old days... but not anymore.
u know why ? she doesnt have time to make them look like Hiroshima and Nagasaki after teh nuke =)

FunPlayer

@ekknite
sorry for starting this. Maybe you guys should just take the joke, make a witty reply on the same level and let it be, instead of discussing world wars on a gaming forum.

Eternal10

This would be terrible....losing ReiGn and Sweet this quick would provide a crushing blow to the UD scene

-ArchAngel-

@ekknite
of course Germany was close to winning; the German industrial output was greatest not in 1940, but in 1943-44, despite Allied bombing. They had almost the whole of Europe at their disposal. Should they have taken the critical areas of Russia and the oil and farm fields near Stalingrad, WWI might as well have a different outcome. Stalin was shivering in terror in Dec 1941, and when he heard of the attack on Pearl Harbor, he lept from the chair in joy.

Their chances were even more pronounced in WWI. Despite the failure of the schlieffen plan, the Germans had the advantage until USA came in, and even then they still had a reasonable chance until July 1918.

_evan

@ekknite
Seems your knowledge of warfare isn't too good. The German army was good, they just had the misfortune of being over stretched and facing some of the best generals the modern world has ever seen. You're naive to think that Germany would've won, or at least out lasted Britain in economic terms. Industrial output is only a useful comparative in pre-war scenarios since there's a lot of misinformation and undisclosed development/production.

The Russians were using scorched earth tactics, which made it impossible to sustain any lengthy siege or offensive manoeuvres given their poor supply lines (this proves how useful having the highest industrial output is) , but they couldn't break through either. A withdrawal was inevitable, whether it happened 30 miles before Moscow, or a 100 after the Ural mountains, the only way Germany was going to beat Russia was by killing Stalin.

Georgy Zhukov being brought into Stalingrad, Germany stopping its bombing campaign in Great Britain (GB), Churchill appointed prime minister of GB,
were the main reasons for Germany losing the war.

The British were far more stretched than Germany, and the fault lay with over ambition and basic greed. If they (Germany) resisted attacking the Soviet Union, and concentrated forces in North Africa, they would've most likely defeated the British, instead of only pushing them back to Egypt and then the oil fields of the middle east were there to be exploited (this would of course be timed well with Italy invading the Balkans [this way Germany has a direct land link to send resources back to Europe or Africa]).

This would've also made the invasion of Silicy and eventually Italy, all but impossible as well, though the British navy would've still been a nuisance in the Mediterranean.

_evan

@ekknite
Losing the Soviet Union in WW2 would not have ended the war, not by any means. This was a war against fascism and everything it stood for, communism isn't much better and the allies had the fortune of German stupidity on their side. There was more than an equal chance that the Soviet Union could've joined the Axis powers, and that would've been truly interesting, I think the USA would've had to come into the war much earlier if that was the case.

Limels

@ekknite
this is the forum of wc3 0o

_evan

@idLe-Roneo
You're dumb, make another comment like that and wave goodbye to your account.

-ArchAngel-

@ekknite
Yes, attacking the SU was, despite initial successes, a mistake; Hitler planned the attack to be in Spring 1941, instead of June. Dumbass mussolini decided that he was important and opened a Balkan front, which disrupted German plans and meant that the Wehrmacht was unable to reach Moscow in time.

This probably did indirectly result in Rommel being ignored in Africa and unable to take the resources in North africa and the Middleeast for Germany.

Britain didnt do much from 1941-44 besides sporadic bombing on German cities, which had only a minor impact on German output and logistics. They lost hundreds of thousands of tons of supplies to U boats.

" facing some of the best generals the modern world has ever seen"
I have to say that most of the best generals in WWII were German. Not many could compare with the likes of Rommel, Guderian, Runstedt, Leeb, Manstein, etc.

But hey, it's history, what has happened has happened.

-ArchAngel-

@ekknite
the Soviet Union WAS on the axis side....until June 22 1941.
the defeat of the SU would almost certainly mean that Germany would have a irreversible advantage. Think of those resources, bases, maneuvre areas, freed soldiers. It would mean that Germany would finally fight a war on only 1 front. Of course they would win. in BOTH WWI and WWII, Germany put up quite the fight on THREE(!!!) fronts. Imagine what they could do when all their resources and determination was focused on 1 front.

I do agree that communism is bulls t though.

kimkenny

No!

Reign is younger than others who did not join the army.

FoV, Susi are older than him, but they are still gaming :)