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Why are NGL+WC3L orgas brainless
Just ONE example (this shit is repeating every weak thoughI:
They plan two Top clanwars (wicked vs. World Elite and MeetYourMakers vs. mousesports) at the SAME time, which means:
1) wtv will be down as usual (just happend again...expected)
2) You can only focus on one clanwar.
Summary: Huge potential to gain viewers for E-sports, but they fuck up by pissing them off.
If it happens one time, ok, but this is history repeating.
Posted: 2008-04-24 17:05:40
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give me a W
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give me a damn %§"% STABLE WTV!
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@VBadGirl
well ok. still the guys in power at the leagues could set a rule that 2 clanwars can`t be played at the same time (with exceptions). imagine this would happen in football, 2 "big" games at the same time and then you have to wait at least 1 week till you can see the next big thing. that such a mismanagement for esports. in the end, the clans are responsible to entertain the audience, because without audience no sponsors, no money without sponsors, and no clans without money. they should always remember this hierarchy / dependancy of clans on audience.
Or, to put it in a more positive way, WHOEVER is responsible for the schedule, should keep in mind to only have ONE war at a time. This will lead to more audience, and in the end more money for you.
I agree that only WTV is responsible for the shit they put up, but in the end, again, YOU are dependent on wtv. Keep that in mind, it won`t help to say "oh we are not responsible for wtv..." because in the end you NEED wtv (for audience = money; im repeating myself).
So you know that 2 big wars at one time = wtv desaster. How can you ignore that fact and still do it ? How can you not imagine that the audience will be pissed off AGAIN and AGAIN, week after week ?
well ok. still the guys in power at the leagues could set a rule that 2 clanwars can`t be played at the same time (with exceptions). imagine this would happen in football, 2 "big" games at the same time and then you have to wait at least 1 week till you can see the next big thing. that such a mismanagement for esports. in the end, the clans are responsible to entertain the audience, because without audience no sponsors, no money without sponsors, and no clans without money. they should always remember this hierarchy / dependancy of clans on audience.
Or, to put it in a more positive way, WHOEVER is responsible for the schedule, should keep in mind to only have ONE war at a time. This will lead to more audience, and in the end more money for you.
I agree that only WTV is responsible for the shit they put up, but in the end, again, YOU are dependent on wtv. Keep that in mind, it won`t help to say "oh we are not responsible for wtv..." because in the end you NEED wtv (for audience = money; im repeating myself).
So you know that 2 big wars at one time = wtv desaster. How can you ignore that fact and still do it ? How can you not imagine that the audience will be pissed off AGAIN and AGAIN, week after week ?
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@Myth
i copy-paste my answer to vbadgirl, because you seem to be ignorant in the same way. yes you dont own wtv, but you USE it, and more importantly, you are DEPENDENT on it.
"well ok. still the guys in power at the leagues could set a rule that 2 clanwars can`t be played at the same time (with exceptions). imagine this would happen in football, 2 "big" games at the same time and then you have to wait at least 1 week till you can see the next big thing. that such a mismanagement for esports. in the end, the clans are responsible to entertain the audience, because without audience no sponsors, no money without sponsors, and no clans without money. they should always remember this hierarchy / dependancy of clans on audience.
Or, to put it in a more positive way, WHOEVER is responsible for the schedule, should keep in mind to only have ONE war at a time. This will lead to more audience, and in the end more money for you.
I agree that only WTV is responsible for the shit they put up, but in the end, again, YOU are dependent on wtv. Keep that in mind, it won`t help to say "oh we are not responsible for wtv..." because in the end you NEED wtv (for audience = money; im repeating myself).
So you know that 2 big wars at one time = wtv desaster. How can you ignore that fact and still do it ? How can you not imagine that the audience will be pissed off AGAIN and AGAIN, week after week ? "
i copy-paste my answer to vbadgirl, because you seem to be ignorant in the same way. yes you dont own wtv, but you USE it, and more importantly, you are DEPENDENT on it.
"well ok. still the guys in power at the leagues could set a rule that 2 clanwars can`t be played at the same time (with exceptions). imagine this would happen in football, 2 "big" games at the same time and then you have to wait at least 1 week till you can see the next big thing. that such a mismanagement for esports. in the end, the clans are responsible to entertain the audience, because without audience no sponsors, no money without sponsors, and no clans without money. they should always remember this hierarchy / dependancy of clans on audience.
Or, to put it in a more positive way, WHOEVER is responsible for the schedule, should keep in mind to only have ONE war at a time. This will lead to more audience, and in the end more money for you.
I agree that only WTV is responsible for the shit they put up, but in the end, again, YOU are dependent on wtv. Keep that in mind, it won`t help to say "oh we are not responsible for wtv..." because in the end you NEED wtv (for audience = money; im repeating myself).
So you know that 2 big wars at one time = wtv desaster. How can you ignore that fact and still do it ? How can you not imagine that the audience will be pissed off AGAIN and AGAIN, week after week ? "
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@Myth
Clanwars have no fixed duration, due to hostsearching, game time differences and regames, a clanwar can last between 2 and 6 hours.
I don't know if you've ever tried to schedule a clanwar, but quite often there's only 1 or 2 possible dates/times in a week. Should we make scheduling infinitely harder for clans just by not allowing 2 wars at the same time? I understand your point and in theory it sounds great but not very workable in practice.
And i can't really comment on the WTV thing, what are we supposed to do when WTV doesn't work? We certainly don't ignore the fact that it doesn't work half the time, we just can't do anything about it.
Clanwars have no fixed duration, due to hostsearching, game time differences and regames, a clanwar can last between 2 and 6 hours.
I don't know if you've ever tried to schedule a clanwar, but quite often there's only 1 or 2 possible dates/times in a week. Should we make scheduling infinitely harder for clans just by not allowing 2 wars at the same time? I understand your point and in theory it sounds great but not very workable in practice.
And i can't really comment on the WTV thing, what are we supposed to do when WTV doesn't work? We certainly don't ignore the fact that it doesn't work half the time, we just can't do anything about it.
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@Myth
ESL can do , by moving the wc3l finals to China where wtv won`t go down because there won`t be one
ESL can do , by moving the wc3l finals to China where wtv won`t go down because there won`t be one
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@VBadGirl
you are stupid if you even consider this as a rule and makes me believe you never tried to schedule a clan war or anything related in this direction. Very often the clans have problems even themselves agreeing on a date due schedule conflicts let alone worrying about other overlapping their matche.
Just imagine WE + Wicked and Mouz + mym have only 1 day free when they can play, but they can't play because of overlapping. How would you solve this and who gets to re-schedule? how u decide which CW is more important?
A simply, non realistic dumb idea.
you are stupid if you even consider this as a rule and makes me believe you never tried to schedule a clan war or anything related in this direction. Very often the clans have problems even themselves agreeing on a date due schedule conflicts let alone worrying about other overlapping their matche.
Just imagine WE + Wicked and Mouz + mym have only 1 day free when they can play, but they can't play because of overlapping. How would you solve this and who gets to re-schedule? how u decide which CW is more important?
A simply, non realistic dumb idea.
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@Arceus
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1051/wc3l1nw3.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7895/wc3l2dv3.jpg
i think that this tell us evrything.
and ted who MUST ASK ADMIN for rehost on normal host.
is it normal? nah dont think so
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1051/wc3l1nw3.jpg
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7895/wc3l2dv3.jpg
i think that this tell us evrything.
and ted who MUST ASK ADMIN for rehost on normal host.
is it normal? nah dont think so
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GGTV sucks hard btw I have to restart WC3+GGTV like every second game.
I don't think it's hard to focus on both Clanwars with pages such as sk-gaming.com or readmore.de, I even like two wars at a time (always a game running and I don't have to spend too much time on it :P)
I don't think it's hard to focus on both Clanwars with pages such as sk-gaming.com or readmore.de, I even like two wars at a time (always a game running and I don't have to spend too much time on it :P)
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Stop spreading such threads when you are not 100% satisfied with anything. Admins can't do anything against WTV downtimes and giving teams the free choice to schedule is a must have. For all haters: http://www.sk-gaming.com/blog/NGL-Perdita/16517-Decisions_everywhere
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How exactly do we depend on WTV? WC3L existed before WTV and was already successful. Sure it's a very good thing when it works, we all agree on that.
About forbidding several clanwars at a time, it's simply unthinkable. We do it for the Finals when we have full control about when, and how.
@ migiel : tell me how playing 2x on a Korean host and then on an american one would be fair to the Chinese player. Ok they've got bad internet. We all know that, they suffer from it enough without us having to add to that. These host problems are not new. When the teams can't agree on something, we enforce a solution. You can't be *always* fair to *everyone*, so some games, Chinese will have a bad ping, and some games, his opponent will. That's all.
About forbidding several clanwars at a time, it's simply unthinkable. We do it for the Finals when we have full control about when, and how.
@ migiel : tell me how playing 2x on a Korean host and then on an american one would be fair to the Chinese player. Ok they've got bad internet. We all know that, they suffer from it enough without us having to add to that. These host problems are not new. When the teams can't agree on something, we enforce a solution. You can't be *always* fair to *everyone*, so some games, Chinese will have a bad ping, and some games, his opponent will. That's all.
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Why not someone produce a better software for us to use?? xD... BTW you can't expect us to wait 4-5 hours to find a neutral host yea? We have to enforce some decisions and like it or not, there is no 100% fair neutral host. Trying putting yourself into our shoes and think how can u solve a match w/o good host and the chinese player wants a chinese host while the korean player wants a korean host. GO THINK!
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