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Thank you for deleting my thread.
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apologies but it was necessary to clean up the forum.
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Im not gonna comment before 1 April is over in USA. This was not what ive expected after more than 1 year of waiting.
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Perhaps this is Blizzard making us then ever more grateful if this is infact not the real changes but they seem feasible enough to be real.
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jea knighs make more dmg
cool now we make more dmg @ human mirror^^
what a joke
cool now we make more dmg @ human mirror^^
what a joke
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Well, perhaps the buff was meant to make knights a viable option in other match ups aswell?...
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they need to be made fatter, so they can actually be used as a melee line. Compare their unit width to bear/abom/tauren.
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they are knights, not some meatballs :S
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they could be called Knights of the Round and be made a little bit fatter =[
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"Please be patient as there will be more updates. Please also keep discussion about the Patch Notes. "
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that's all ??? :(
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I swear to god...somebody will die whether or not this was an april fool joke....
it took blizzard 1.5 year to make these changes?
it took blizzard 1.5 year to make these changes?
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burrow rush FTW?
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Tauren @ t1 also?
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i think its more than obvious that this shit isnt serious , i think blizzard would never give us option like this ( i mean "Added an option to always show unit and building health bars.")
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+ i think these changes are only for the test patch server , not the real deal yet...
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NE The weakest race ? ...
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truth sometimes hurts poorly minded people
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yeah Vbadgirl ne is the weakest race, oh yeaaaaah !!!!!
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haha and uyou say NE is imba based on what? I would like to see from you one strong argument and not so much taunting
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Last year ne's won 20 tournaments while Orcs won 5, Humans won 5, Undead 2... Currently they have been playing strats like warden mass merc vs orc and other stuff, especially at racewars, this and the fact that they didn't have their best players in the team led to this result. It's not that NE is imposible to beat, it's just they have a head start vs every other race, and no real weakness except low hp buildigns and wisps, however if you try to abuse these 2 you are either a "lame ud garg masser", "lame/gay base racing hu/orc", why do you think most ne's weakest match-up is mirror? Because it's more easier to play against the other races, and doesn't go that well when the other guy has the same advantages as you.
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Okay, who were those 20 NE who wont those tournaments?? and who are those most NE's whose weakest match up is mirror? are you referring to Remind perhaps?, Soju? or perhaps Winners?, or perhaps Lyc???
I am pretty much sure in all your theory you refer to only one NE and that is Moon. Moon won most of those tournaments and Moon weakest match up is NE. The rest of NE's mirror match up is NOT! their weakest m.u.
as far as it goes Moon and why he won so many tourneys, it's because he is THAT damn good. He isn't called the 5-th race for no reason. NO other NE has even came close to beat his record or even score nearly as equal as he did. If he wouldn't have played (let's say he took a brake) NE wouldn't have won not even 3/4 of those 20 tournaments you mention.
Look for example at RaceWar.. No Moon, NE came last.
Now my friend, less bias and more logic.
I am pretty much sure in all your theory you refer to only one NE and that is Moon. Moon won most of those tournaments and Moon weakest match up is NE. The rest of NE's mirror match up is NOT! their weakest m.u.
as far as it goes Moon and why he won so many tourneys, it's because he is THAT damn good. He isn't called the 5-th race for no reason. NO other NE has even came close to beat his record or even score nearly as equal as he did. If he wouldn't have played (let's say he took a brake) NE wouldn't have won not even 3/4 of those 20 tournaments you mention.
Look for example at RaceWar.. No Moon, NE came last.
Now my friend, less bias and more logic.
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Night Elf - 387,054$ ($218,685) without Moon.
So the "crap" NE (ie. not the 5th race) still won twice as much vs all races apart from Human who can tower.
Human - 155,075$
(33,50% from ToD)
Undead - 107,510$
(24.09% from FoV)
Orc - 108,687$
(42,71% from Lyn)
In 2008 Lyn has only won tournaments he beat mass UD and that amazing win vs Moon.
Seems to happen once every couple years an ORC beats Moon, just like an UD beats Lyn.
So the "crap" NE (ie. not the 5th race) still won twice as much vs all races apart from Human who can tower.
Human - 155,075$
(33,50% from ToD)
Undead - 107,510$
(24.09% from FoV)
Orc - 108,687$
(42,71% from Lyn)
In 2008 Lyn has only won tournaments he beat mass UD and that amazing win vs Moon.
Seems to happen once every couple years an ORC beats Moon, just like an UD beats Lyn.
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I'm eagerly awaiting VBG's answer to those stats :D
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"elf just had the best players in 2007".
That's your answer to everything isn't it? elf wins because they have the best players, while if other races win it's because the race is imba?
That's your answer to everything isn't it? elf wins because they have the best players, while if other races win it's because the race is imba?
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please stop embarrassing yourselves vbadgirl and funplayer (yes I know it's hard for your brains to comprehend), and go get a room. You two are obviously made for each other. Where else do we find two people with such similar stupidity?
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If you think NE is the weakest race, you should change game Natz 0_o
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I don't remember having often agreed with vbadgirl, but I mean, in this case you can't deny the evidences, and yes, the end of 2007 and the beginning of 2008 showed another perspective of how balance really is.
To lunarydz, I do not only think so, I have proofs of it, unlike you.
To lunarydz, I do not only think so, I have proofs of it, unlike you.
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The evidence is from
http://www.gotfrag.com/war/story/41059/
This lists all prize winnings from 2008 broken down by player / race / country etc.
The point of imbalance means that you win more often. Even 10% is a big difference but NE win far more often than that overall.
Incidently the new patch wont fix the imbalance but it may even out results more. Why? UD will be able to beat NE and HU more. This means NE can be knocked out earlier in tournaments so more wins for ORC since little was done to fix this imbalance. So the new patch will boost UD and ORC results. Lucky HUMAN still have imba gryphons vs ORC and NE still have imba dotts vs ORC so that ORC wont be too strong.
http://www.gotfrag.com/war/story/41059/
This lists all prize winnings from 2008 broken down by player / race / country etc.
The point of imbalance means that you win more often. Even 10% is a big difference but NE win far more often than that overall.
Incidently the new patch wont fix the imbalance but it may even out results more. Why? UD will be able to beat NE and HU more. This means NE can be knocked out earlier in tournaments so more wins for ORC since little was done to fix this imbalance. So the new patch will boost UD and ORC results. Lucky HUMAN still have imba gryphons vs ORC and NE still have imba dotts vs ORC so that ORC wont be too strong.
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obviously i meant 2007 winnings
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unfortunately, if you look at the past 6 months, elf has a completely other position, with only moon winning something decent. Now, if you wanna release a patch, you will look at what happened early, when playing styles were so that other races were unable to compete with elves, or at what happened lately, where the imbalance seemed to take another shape, but with all the past experiences, which means some stuff that has been done doesn't work that good anymore if the other races' players play another way?
However, I think winning a tournament, therefore a price money depends on a lot of things, such as brackets combined with the balance in specific match ups and also on the playing style of a specific opponent, and taking the whole statistics is definitely a better indicator, with for the very top level, the latest race war... without moon!
However, I think winning a tournament, therefore a price money depends on a lot of things, such as brackets combined with the balance in specific match ups and also on the playing style of a specific opponent, and taking the whole statistics is definitely a better indicator, with for the very top level, the latest race war... without moon!
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contrail, you talk about 10% imbalance. But tournaments are won by players, win% doesn't actually matter there or else we'd have to nerf Moon. As you said, tournaments are decided by luck, coincidence, brackets, maps etc. You could also say orc imbalance vs Undead made elf win all the tournaments cause usually all good undeads that would enjoy high chances of taking out elf players lose vs Orcs, and ofc Tod, Sky and Infi also took out any Undead without a problemin 2007.
If you think 10% imbalance is tough, just look at the Udvself and OrcvsUd stats. None of this got fixed. What matters for balance are the overall results, not who is winning a tournament. And overall results say elf is currently the weakest race (disclaimer).
If you think 10% imbalance is tough, just look at the Udvself and OrcvsUd stats. None of this got fixed. What matters for balance are the overall results, not who is winning a tournament. And overall results say elf is currently the weakest race (disclaimer).
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if this is the real "patch" , I suggest we organize something like a protest and no1 downloads it and we all stick to 1.21 b haha
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Blizz is so damn smart.
Posted these changes on April 1st to see how the public reacts. If responses are totally negative then they say it is only an April Fool joke; if responses are better than that then they may just go with it.
Posted these changes on April 1st to see how the public reacts. If responses are totally negative then they say it is only an April Fool joke; if responses are better than that then they may just go with it.
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u are so smart .... GO u join bnet with old patch TT
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no1 joins bnet , no1 will want to put his crappy ads on the server , no money for Blizzard , WE KICK THEM ISTRAIGHTLY N THE ASS :D
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april fool imo.
they "nerfed" the only race that stands against elf ? logic.
btw ziggourat added to the list of ">burrow"
they "nerfed" the only race that stands against elf ? logic.
btw ziggourat added to the list of ">burrow"
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Hm,nice patch for dota.Now number of Dota players will grow even faster
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lol agree with biofare .. this is auto toggle heath bar is just awesome for dota .. they might want to add that inventory key is now changeable to another config .. that helped a lot in dota .. why do i wait all this time and hoping to get a new gameplay. We all know those feature can be found on 3rd party program .. sigh ..
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IF blizzard is serious with these changes and in case they don't add more, this would be a reason to stop playing wc3. Buff Human roflmao what a joke.
I sign the dota patch thing.
I sign the dota patch thing.
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wtf are you whining at, the changes are great, we dont want another megapatch to change everything all around. Most important are the bnet changes imo, since thats what touches 95% of the players most.
Only thing im worried about is the ud versus ne matchup, since it seemed to favour ud even before.
Only thing im worried about is the ud versus ne matchup, since it seemed to favour ud even before.
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tbh a nice patch would be to add a few new units to each race, add a new hero to each race maybe even some new campaigns to introduce some more tavern heros/creeps/items and giving some more upgrade options
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That's called an expansion pack
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or a well deserved upgrade but an expansion wud be nice ;) well least a mini expansion
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