kuco87

Did you see his close-spawn-tr game vs some nelf ?

He just ran into NE-Base with tons of militia, surrounded and kicked the tree of life.

Humba

Endless

@kuco87
hahah where i can see that game?

Arceus

another example is Infi vs Neytpoh -TR close spawn....really...really...painful.. to watch
http://w3g.replays.net/ReplayShow.aspx?ReplayID=27378

kuco87

@Arceus
Yeah, thats what I meant.

Dont know how to counter that. With special base-build maybe. But I guess that build would suck vs tower-rushed...

..Or going straith into the human base and go for a long base-trade game ?

RotterdaM

yeah really painfull to watch a elf getting punished for abusing his barracks for some 0 damage creeping... or maybe build your barracks/aow where you should, like other races. If it wasnt for the fact it was my teammate losing I would have found it a pure joy to watch, even now I wouldnt call it painfull, more, justice.

Sabian

haha that TR game is amazing !

Arceus

@RotterdaM
you will find it painful when your base gets destroyed by 344590 militias in a 5 mins length game

neverplayorc1

burrow as first building would help maybe still imba :S

Padiana

@kuco87
that is very very imba, boohoo elfs are so weak =(

kuco87

@RotterdaM
I dont think a defensiv AOW would have helped alot against that -_-
Neytpoh would have killed 2 or 3 militias more....that`s all. Wouldnt change anything. TOL would fall anyway.

Go cry elsewhere. Mass some raiders.

RotterdaM

@RotterdaM
yes i would. ;)

RotterdaM

@RotterdaM
go cry on sk forum instead, but i can see your iq is below 85 so let me explain that he would have gotten 5 archers more + non stop 50 damage like 80 on a peasant, he would have gotten those archers while producing instead of walking around with his rax, but I don't blame you narrow minded poor lost soul, we all get lost trying to find our way to wc3 heaven.

kuco87

@RotterdaM
Calm down, its just a game ;)

Yeah...5 Archers more. Let`s say 2 Archers more...
Ofc he could have prepared for that a little more. WE.Like could have won as well if he played different...

But you cant always be prepared for everything. Everything you change makes you weak for some other strat or whatever. I guess you know.

But probably all you wanna here :

WE.Like lost to pure imba Human cause Orc is damn underpowered.
Neytpoh lost because of AoW creeping and playing like shit.

Now stop crying plz ;O

RotterdaM

@RotterdaM
wipe away your tears, I'm not here to make people sad, yet I wonder one last thing, what could have done Like different, he's playing the best possible, always used build order thats here for 4 years, you except him to suddenly build different cause 1 out of 3 chance for close + he knew th his evil plan? :D And remember, I am not here to make you sad or depressed, my messages are coming in peace.

kuco87

@RotterdaM
;DD

It´s pretty much the same for Neytpoh. I dont think he expected that strat from Th000.So why would he build his AOW in his base.

Let`s stop that here.

love you

kuco87

@RotterdaM
begging for edit-button.

Like could shouldnt let Th000 cancel that burrow and get hero much earlier that way.
Maybe build it a little bit hidden like elfs do it with on TR-Close-Spawn ? ;))

I dont think going down to 4/10 supply to be able to build hero is a valid strategy ~~

espider

i can feel with like ...

ekknite

@ kuco87
still, 4/10 and building 1st hero... not much choice though... and still your saying that the orc shouldve hid his burrow on close spawn.. They dont scout first then build burrows... its the other way around eh ;)

If the orc waits for the position of the human... and scouts that the human is across the map and then starts building burrows... his hero will come far too late and so will his grunts or any other units...
There wasnt anything to do in this game... it was just too overpowered how those humans went in to the opponent's base -.-
I wonder if we're gonna see this in future games, where humans will play on TR and do this play style :P
I wonder who invented this strategy :D

Whats this strategy called by the way ? the Chinese HUMBA RUSH :x

kuco87

@ekknite
Many Elfs said the same about Human-Close-Spawn-Towerrush.

Nowadays most elfs can handle it quite well. I guess Orcs will find a way to work around that abuse as well.

-fabian

@RotterdaM
not every race can creep a red spot with like 1 unit (hero)?

LoD-Tsubasa

@kuco87
That was infi

http://www.esl.eu/eu/wc3l/season13/download/7051529/

JAMROCK

thats chinese strategy, just rush with mass small peasants. guess what happens in ww3...

neverplayorc1

lol yeah :)

T1-Rain

@JAMROCK
Nah, Chinese will not do what you had done in WW2.
Oh, wait.... you were just out in the street.

Sasuke-twR

@RotterdaM
Always be prepared for anything? Aow in base means ur against a lv 2 archmage, aow outside base makes u vulnarable versus rushes. I even saw a replay where an elf couldnt win against that rush with archers, hunts and friggin protectors. Try running in a human base with ur wisp and peons and see what happens. Human just has too many things to choose from so you never know what you should do against it.

hostilepulse

@RotterdaM
cry me a river

FunPlayer

@RotterdaM
hey hostile, at least when you whine I can come up with what you made wrong or what you should do right. So let's hear from you as Human expert what elf is supposed to do against that.

Yag-Nosyt

@RotterdaM
Everyone know that human is the best race. If every human would base his race it would be totally obvious to everyone. Humans have secret forums where they meet and exchange imbalanced strategies. They also decide whether a human should win the next big tournament or wcg. They do everything to hide their imbalance to the public and it seem to work good. Actually most players think that nelf would be imbalanced that just proves how smart human players are these days. Btw inso quite because he couldn't stand the abuse any longer.

KrazyKenny

omfg, it wasnt infi who mad this militia rush popular, it was sky who did this against soju -.-

howkee

in the like-th000 game it was bad a mistake by like. he didn't cancel the burrow. otherwise he would've been able to build another one. so no reason to cry about hu.

Endless

@howkee
and whats the excuse about neytroh loss? ;x come on man, you have to admin that human is very strong at close position @ tr

howkee

@howkee
yeah there is no doubt about hu being imba at tr close, but espacially against orc it doesn't effect the game that much imo.

BoMbiNi

to endless neypoth could make his buildings next too tree of life so infi cant attack from all sides

or move his wisps earlier next too tree so infi cant attack from all sides

LaurentJoulzy

Imba vs imba problem. Instead of crying for imbalance, just think about the shit it must be to balance this game without removing all the races specificities that make the game interesting....
I'll just add that Neytpoh is very well mannered, he could have been really angry.

ekknite

idd you are right LaurentJoulzy, instead of whining ppl should start come up with solutions instead of giving useless comments.
But how do you counter something like this anyways....
One day someone will come up with a solution, but untill that day... it'll be very hard to beat such a strategy :P unless you're human :D

Siever

For infi, it's really imba. 180 towers

Endless

@BoMbiNi
yeah that might've worked , i'm not saying it cant be stopped :) i'm just saying human is strong at close pos and its hard against it :>

GamlaSonn

he shoulda scouted hu base with a wisp and done some counter procedure

pogogo

hehe well done th000. :D

Sirorton

"Humans being overpowered is nonsense... every Human player is just skilled."

FunPlayer

@RotterdaM
Our Human expert isn't available, it seems.

VBadGirl

Haha i haven't laughed so damn hard in a long time. That game was just brilliant. peons fight!!

Dasdingoman

@kuco87
hilarious replay

xman2003

Another great example:

http://www.eswcgermany.com/turnier/?do=contest&id=6063

Watch the game on TS...

hypnosed

facts dont need proofs