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undead.

Xlord pulled a "wyrm."

online

not rly

imba. nerf elf.

moon playing in the middle of the night mb 4 @ night, and online.

Moon doesn't sleep, he waits. Moon doesn't play online, he's always right next to his opponent. Sometimes even inside of his opponent's PC. And finally, if something is able to beat Moon, it's gotta be imbalanced. Undead vs elf is the most imba shit we've ever seen.

"elf is the most imba shit we've ever seen." FunPlayer said it !

/Vader NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

i dont think moon is playing worse at 4 am

undead.. and moon was saving strats

hmpffffffffffffffffffff moska...... WC3L Season XIII / Undead 21-16 Elf Kode 5 Korea Qualifier / Undead 5-8 Elf AWL Season 3 Undead / 7-4 Elf (don't count the ELF 8-1 UD in SEC and the UD 10-0 ELF in EM ;)) Just some examples that it isn't such a imba matchup as most people think.....

ud > elf when moon lose vs susira and xlord what other elfs can do vs luciefer and fov ...

beat them? sai > fov etc?

beat them? sai > fov etc?

for once in your life you make a good, sensible statement. Thumb up.

in the same tournament Fov and even TED 2-0ed every other elf, including Remind.

remind played orc

that's for reinforcing my argument, rottie. The reason he plays orc is cause ud owns elf. and orc owns ud ofc.

I play NE and have winning ratio vs all races ! (best vs ORC) but it is under 20% vs UD ! imba! Traditionally i think only Moon has really dominated NE. Obviously UD have a small advantage but it's not as bad as many other matchups.

Fucking crap you write! I think all agree that nelf vs ud is at least balanced and maps change advantage to nelf or ud. nelf vs orc is obviously imbalanced although even without a patch it's getting better. Nelf vs HUman is a fucking joke. It depends on player. Human can totally own nelf with tower tanks or tr or lose hard. human vs nelf is fucking balanced and ofc depends on maps. If some of you tards would spend half of their time they are writing imba comments on every site, spend on playing SOME games with nelf and find out that they will get owned so hard and all crap they write is totally wrong haha. ANd now you can thumb me down hard! at least elfs will agree and im not elf tbh.

hypnoose logic on: Elf vs orc is still imbalanced cause despite all the orc wins vs elf lately, a year ago Lyn lost vs Longwalk. ud vs elf stats are pathetic. 9-0 at ngl, 20-4 at EM...

hypnoose logic: -keeps on posting about a top orc losing to some elf some years ago, only he himself remembers. This makes elf imba vs orc even today. FunPlayer's tip: Get over it or try to come up with current resuslts that prove your point. Like Insolence winning vs Southsea, or Eric winning vs Winners. -the best elf in the world lost to reign, Susiria and now even Xlord. While in Europe undeads have been owning elf for the last 3 years (nobody cared cause elf owns orc), and on international level Moon and Soju were the ud killers. This makes elf own undead. FunPlayer's 2nd tip: Times change. So does balance without patches. Elf isn't weak (show me a quote of me where I honestly say it is), but elf isn't imba either (like the real whiners like hypno, die_noobelves etc. been crying for the last 4 years). Overall tip: There is no patch. There is no cake.

lamer sucker

Xlord is really great these days

Impressive. I guess Xlord is the best european undead player by know.

yes, after fury.

His Ud vs Elf is really awesome. Must be very frusttrating to get harrassed all the time with gargs and when the wyrm comes, its over :/

his mirror is top aswell

Since Nelf has no counter to Garg/Wyrm I tend to go Sinlge-Goblin-Alchi vs that. It can attack air (good vs Gargs) Rage is good to hunt down DK etc. The Bomb is nice vs Mass Gargs (Big Range, Effects many Units, can not be disspelled,good for Air vs Air). Creep fast with AoWs. Go T3 very fast to get a shitload of XP by the single-hero-exp-bonus. Manage to get lvl6 and start to sell his wyrms. I know it sounds nooby, stupid etc, but for me it works quite well.

so much towers Xlord made on EI ..

human does more towers, those towers actually saved xlords kiddieass :o

remind 0 - 1 protois

remind massed archers and talons vs ud and died with 1000 gold, n1

just shows how desperate elfs are becoming. But atleast they stay creative. Unlike Orcs who play the same strat vs elf for 2 years and are still waiting for a patch.

Yup, go headhunters and witchdoctors against undead : gogo and freaking die at 5th minute.

tc stomp mass hh + tinker rockets is a working strategy vs undead. At least as "working" as dotts vs undead.

so why dont you try mass talons or mass chimaera against human? or mass T3 huntress vs undead? im sure these strategies are as "working" as tc stomp mass hh+thiner vs undead. oh wait...

the difference it it DOES work, I've seen it. Which leads us back to the question why Remind plays sucky strategies: Doesn't he care or does he think he need the surprise factor to beat some euro undead? I guess it's cause elf is imba in all matchups, right?

FunPlayer ,your strats works only vs lamez ( 30 level 1000 games players) Its so stupid to use stomp vs elf and HH

l2read. I said orc vs undead. But ofc Orc has no need to play anything else than blade grunt/raider vs undead.

"But ofc Orc has no need to play anything else than blade grunt/raider vs undead." how ironic is that coming from an elf player who (like all of their kind) masses 1 or 2 of the same units over and over again against every race every strat. elf vs human: riflecaster? bear dryad. breaker caster? bear dryad. breaker mortar? bear dryad. gryphon mortar? bear dryad. Knight caster? bear dryad. innerfire knight mortar? bear dryad. elf vs undead: ghoul garg? bear dryad. ghoul wyrm? bear dryad. fiend destroyer? bear dryad. fiend abomination? bear dryad. abomination meatwagon? bear dryad. fiend destroyer abomination? bear dryad. elf vs orc: Any combination of grunt/raider/headhunter/walker/kodo/demolisher? mass talons OR.......bear dryad. elf vs elf: Any combination of.....bear dryad? bear dryad. funplayer, please stfu, stop making a clown out of yourself and continue massing your bear dryads.

funny that you mention all strategies, mainstream or not, effective or not, that are played vs elf but don't mention such funny things as massing hunts, mass hunts glaives, hunts/drys in mirrror and vs orc, mass range hunts/archer/dott/dry, bears/hippos vs undead. I could even add mass faerie dragons, a working strategy vs human after all, back in the days. Add faeries and hippos to that bears/dryads massing, they are used more often than you think but I guess your PC reboots every 10 minutes so you never see it. Round all of this up with all those hero combinations and you're once again proven to be just another whiner riding the "elf is so lame and imba" bandwaggon without actually having a real clue. You're even so desperate that you invent "new" strategies on the spot. casters/knights and inner fired knights. Woah, I also have bears/dryads with and without abolish magic. stfu, die_noobelves.

it's you who should stfu. My point is that bear dryad WORKS IN JUST ABOUT EVERY SINGLE SITUATION. hunts dryad vs orc -> hunts are made for the same purpose as footmen, only as cannon fodder for the early game. Into tier 2, its back to the almighty....dryads!!!! and if you have to bring out MIRROR matches to prove a point, then you have serious issues. yes faerie dragons/hippos/whatever crap you elves pull out of your ass works, but who the hell needs those when you could mass your bear dryads and not have to THINK (yes i know this word sounds foreign to elf players) about counters . caster knights -> Knight sorc breaker. (insomnia did this quite often) innerfire knights mortar -> knight priest mortar stop selfowning noobplayer, go mass your bear dryads.

Showtime played dotts/chims vs Human some years ago. Oh, it's true. Your argumentation is flawed, dude. For one thing, you think adding faeries or hippos is just a joke, cause obviously you have no clue about elf vs undead or elf vs human that doesn't make tanks after his fast expo. You even sadi bears/dryads counters mortar griffs. For another thing, you are one of those guys who permanently switch between "elf brainless mass bears/dryads" and "only elf can pull moves like that or play bullshit strategies like that", probably after every Moon game you see. To finish it off, you proved often enough that you play at an incredibly low level, where I might even understand that elf > human, but please, go away with your cluelessness. Even a lowbird like you should be able to use statistics and results to back up his points. Thing is, you can't. Cause they back me ALL THE TIME.

IF "Grubby with ELF>MOON with ORC" can prove ELF is imbalanced to ORC, you should have the suppose that Grubby

xlord played like a gay on echo, moon cant attack the 8 towers at xlords expo and what does xlord do? he waits in his base until moon is kinda asleep or so. also it seemed pretty obvious moon had crappy ping. he missed with silence and didnt staff his panda in the end, not moonlike. xlord best euro ud? my ass. That would be happy, by far.

agreed,fbs should stop worshippin xlord,won Moon with gaystyle doesnt say a lot eu top uds: 1.elfittaja 2.happy 3.dowaq 4.hasu 5.xlord

dowa>hasu and xlord???????? what drug are u doing???? i want the same!

TowerPowerNerf XlorD is a good player no question but its a very hard statement the XlorD is the best european player yet! Top 3 of the European Wc3 players #1 mouz.ToD #2 MYM]Grubby/mouz.Happy #3 mouz.Hasuobs

you dont mention hot? he is much better than hasu

He's talking about the best european UNDEAD players, not best european players. Still FuRy is better than Xlord.

What's your point? Person A said: I think Xlord is the best UNDEAD player in europe. Person B doesn't get it and says: Blabla Xlord is not the best european player, there's Tod and Grubby and Hot and whoever. Person C says: No, Person A talking about UNDEAD players. But FuRy is better anyway. If you see that as badmouthing FuRy you definitely have a serious problem ma boy.

hot/titan ,etc