How to counter this funny strategy? I play ud (always ghouls) orc goes t3 and then he sets up and expo with his imbalanced towers. Ok I do the same, but then he keeps on destroying my mine and he gets 3423452352352 wyverns with venom +bm crit + sh hex on heroes. I always loose to this strat. I tried to build 3rd crypt and start to mass gargoyles but it didnt help too. Any tips? -.-

Hmm, I don't know but maybe get panda. Nova+BoF should kill the wyverns pretty fast and you would have something against the towers. And not to forget build many towers+frost towers at your expansion. Buy staff of teleportation to be there fast with dust of appearance. Buy many many lesser potions of invulnerability. Dispell hex with your destroyers. Can't think of much more atm.

play elf

Wait till 1.22 patch comes and makes this match up a little bit more balanced :p

Keep pressure on the orc so he cant set up the expansion

#retarded_peon
ye try to keep pressure on orc with ghouls lichie, when orcish t2> ud t2

maybe u should play more agressively , because if the orc went t3 with a lot of wyvs it means he had plenty of time and resources to do it

You lich is the key, once you hit the high levels with him he will rape all air. You just have to make sure he survives the nuke :P

play dreadlord 2nd

Signed. + Try to pressure with ghouls and delay his bestiaries. (At early T2 he will have like 4 grunts when you can have 6-7 ghouls+skellies).So by the time your dreadlord is out he will have like 2 wyverns at most, which you can put to sleep and focus his heroes/units. By now you should also have just 2-3 fiends with web. Get scrolls and its pretty much gg.

I personally find a mix of grunts raiders and kodos much much much tougher to handle.

try fiends mb ? Lich is the key but its better with Dreadlord to sleep them

I dont think so arceus.
You can try fast expand with CL?

start make fiends at t2 and make burrow rushes.

ever heard of crypt fiends ???

fiends is the easy answer. But why not get a dl 2nd hero and lich 3rd hero ? High level Carrion Swarm + Nova has to be effective vs mass air. Also with the DL aura you can try to use gargs.

on the countering mass wyvs part, fiends are obviously much better than ghouls, but if u wanna keep playing ghouls you should try going bm 2nd and lich 3rd. creep the bm to 3 as fast as possible and you should be fine since quilbeasts lvl 2 totally rape wyverns, an invul/potion might be needed for your bm though.

iirc elfi used that strat against some orc not so long ago.

Dude are you still alive? : )

Funnily enough, fiends do not counter t3 wyverns when he starts massing hard. Like mentioned before, high level lich is the key to winning. Have shades follow his army around and get 1 or 2 novas off before engaging. He'll either have to spend money on healscrolls or engage out of fear of losing all his vern to one nova.
I can't vouch for the DL 2nd strat as much as I haven't used it anywhere near as often. I find it too hard to predict whether he is going to vern or not and getting a DL 2nd can be rather risky. Preference i guess.

tl;dr- Powercreep your lich and nova once or twice before engaging.

u need some luck to survive this match up =)

#0 rofl this guy is funny xD, mby u make some more ghouls to counter winds.. it might work

yes you totally got the irony in that post

if he plays BM and SH you should get fiends and frenzy gouls coz without stomp he should have no chance on the ground
and ofc the lich, high nova and orb owns wyvern maybe add panda or DL with wave

You can win easily by having 32 pop ghouls and searching the web upgrade before you get T3,try also to get your dk lvl3,and get lich and statue,then push after getting orb and ghoul frenzy and 2~3 fiends,For micro you will just have to keep your fiends alive using frost/coil and a+move/focus wyverns with gouls...
I also advice you to see Sweet replays vs orc,especially vs Xiaot or Lyn at ddigital life :)
gl..

1.22 will make this game perfectly balanced. Until the whiners read the patchlog.

crypt fiends and/or gargs + hero nuke should solve in fights. just dont let him fasttech so easy.. u can push him back and if u do well he never gets up his beasties (depends on how well he planned his base and if there is space in the back of his base)

i think if he techs to tier 3 you should go for tier 2 expansion, and build a few towers in your expo and base it's like since orc + wyverns = suicide when they try to attack UD base or expo..build an army of 60-80 fiends+statues+mass scrolls then you should be fine

orc tier 2 > ud tier 2
orc tier 3 = ud tier 3 (orc tri hero is imba along with poison spears)

so i think pulling of a tier 2 expansion with a huge army+ scrolls is a good choice since he can do nothing with his grunts without esnare, scout enemy expos with shades as well just in case

with a 70+80 food army of friends+statues+many scrolls , if the games go on just tech to tier 3 and go for DL 3rd, nova+swarm is extremely strong against mass wyverns

Hah, Swarm is strong against nothing. The worst spell in this Game. Panda is by far a better choice.

Power creep lich and go for mass crypt fiends