WTH^ o_O

True.In fact that was my point all the way.In past,that MU was clearly more balanced than it is today and I cant understand how anyone can claim that it was imba then as it is today.Today Orc vs UD is almost predictable as the fact that tomorrow is coming.I mentioned air just to answer FunPlayers statment.

Show us these numbers then. You surely would have already if you had them. As partner0 said, if anything with TED Undead fares "better" vs orc today as they did back then, whatever it's worth.

First of all,before,orcs played grunt/raider/kodo much more often than air.Second of all,it was NEVER more imbalanced than it is today.How many UD's have retired recently?What win percentage have the UD's had since the advent of BM abuse?How many tournaments has an UD player won since the BM crap had started?Please,restrain yourselves from saying stuff that can be refuted just by facts without any knowledge of the game whatsoever.

I dont need to show you anything,its a matter of common sense.Take Lucifer for example,you can count on you fingers MU he won vs Orcs in Blademasters era.Then go in past and remember all the matches vs Grubby,Zacard etc etc where he won 300% more games than in times where BM abusers simply crushed him,even low skill opponents.You mentioned Frog retiring...So what?Luci,Susi,FoV etc etc retired you know why?I think you do.

Uh, so you talk about numbers but you don't have to show anything eh? Yeah, it's really a matter of common sense then. Sorry that I don't take you seriously.

Ud got raped hard by Farseer/TC back when they played ghuls. You could argue going fiends helped them a little until Blademaster made things worse again. But that doesn't change that Orc pwned Ud way before Blademaster became the standard first hero.
so you mention Undeads retiring because of orc.... I mention THE Undead retiring because of orc. Ah wait, I was the one saying orc > Ud, no matter when, it just didn't change in all those years. Back when Ud won something like ESWC it was pre-1.15 or they didn't have to play vs Orcs like Lucifer in 2006.
Sweet beating Grubby in Bnet finals was THE upset in that era, you know?

Hell, how much imbalance does it take for Orctards to see the stupidity of their race when Madfrog loses to Grubby even with bugged destroyers...

You are simply making no sense at all."...it just didn't change in all those years.." this is where I strongly disagree with you.It did change,but in negative kind of way fo UD.Thats all,thats the conclusion of everything Ive been trying to tell.I rest my case,no one can convince me that Orcs were imba vs UD before BM in a same intenisty as they are now.Just look at game in SL I was mentioning.FoV won vs an orc after what?3 years and I can bet its all because Fly didnt go BM.If he did,he would have crushed him.

That's the problem, you act like there's a difference if Orc wins 60% vs Ud now with Blademaster or 58% with Farseer back in the days.
But good job removing all doubt that you're a clueless noob, using games of FlyOnline0% as "proof".

...and this shows that you are ignorant,arrogant ,clueless moron since 40% indeed isnt equal to 60% and since both FoV and Fly were in Chine at the time of the match with equal ping and equal conditions...no words needed anymore

I dont know where "Chine" is (unless embed french words into English sentences) but neither of these player were there. Fly was in China, while FoV was in Korea.

Sorry,Ive made a mistake,its China...nope,Im pretty sure they were both in China according to host and specs

They maybe had a good host, but that doesn't change that Fly loses almost all of his online games. It's only natural, the best players of their time have a habit of losing online matches all the time, was the same with moon and sky.
Which only means you got no point and no clue. 40%, 60% do you even understand what I said?

hahahah LOOOL habit of losing?I will not spend any of my energy on typing in order to argue with ya and explaining you stuff that everyone see cause it is "in youre nature" not to agree right?hahahah LOL

Yes idiot he's right. That means saving yourself and give 100% and outclass others when the stakes is much bigger. It's no coincidence that Fly looses Shadow League in group stage while Winning IEF / Extreme masters / 2nd WCG giving him 1st spot on earnings this year...

hahahaha LOL xD bwaahaha etc. yeah, explaining stuff that everybody sees... too bad you're alone with your view and can't back it up against overwhelming evidence. To quote WickedPeon: "gnahahaha hihihihihihi euioeiouaioaioui whahahaha"

I couldnt read all conversation, but if someone says that UD have EVER been even equal wit hOrc, he is a moron. I'm playing UD since 2003 and I never felt like I could win orc easily. usually I must outskill him to win, even more then Human player need to win vs me as UD. This was always most imbalanced match-up in game. Now it's just different kid od MU because Orcs used to play FS+TC and more air to own UD, not they use strat they use vs all races. And Orcs have counter for all UD's units from 2 buildings = barracks and beastiary. Nowadays its impossible to play ghouls since BM own them all with his insane critical strike ratio. Earlier they die from 2 stomps and 1 chain. Other than that, orcs doesent have to expand on t2 since they play BM which is like maphack stealing all creep kills and items while creeping SH to your DK level. When UD became capable for battle they just buy orb and mini expo and game is over because you cant even slow production cuz burrows are too strong that u prolly need 80 pop and focus to kill just one. UD's expo i shardest in game and very expensive since u have to build Necropolis and gold mine + 5 acos, and that without acos costs a lot, also u need 2 towers cuz BM will kill acos in a 2 secs if not. So blizzard have to wonder a little of balance of this game because there are many users of it. What about spending 8 mana points for every critical like they did with incinerate to FL?

that doesnt make him the best player lawl, that says he has luck ;p in finding items ^^

Can someone here post an argument without calling others noobs/morons or,my personal favorite,retards?What the hell is wrong with you ppl?If you think someone is wrong:just prove it with facts and stay calm

I love "moron" more. Retard is not bad thou.

Doesn't make sense, cause I stay calm and use facts to prove that other people are retarded noobs.

Oh well...At least I tried...I stand corrected

well... first of all, mr StarStalker I dont think you have any point at all. So what, you dont claim anymore that bm is the main reason for orc>ud but just that it is more imba now? Well bm is strong and nobody is claiming that it's not, but in UD vs Orc the problem doesnt come down to BM. As I already said and others did too , Orc never had a problem dealing with UD army, BM isnt needed in this match up to still favor orc enough on all maps vs ud. BM is strong vs UD just as strong as vs any other race, so u must be the failed retard to argue for something that is obvious ~

this is about viOlet not Orc vs UD but ok :D