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BlizzCon 09 World Finals
MLW wrote:
They are true gosus who win with Micro, Macro and Brain, unlike Nubby.Grubby is the mastermind in Wc3! And Sky destroyed Wc3 cus he only masses towers. I hate chinese human players. Why did ToD quit? =/
Give it up, tormented. I learned to ignore kume the hard way, no need for somebody else with more than half a brain to get involved. He's just illiterate.
"Funplayer... Blademaster... Moon... strong"
Woah, I only read half the words, but Funplayer was whining, I'm sure of it.
"Funplayer... Blademaster... Moon... strong"
Woah, I only read half the words, but Funplayer was whining, I'm sure of it.
StenGahoe wrote:
MLW wrote:
They are true gosus who win with Micro, Macro and Brain, unlike Nubby.Grubby is the mastermind in Wc3! And Sky destroyed Wc3 cus he only masses towers. I hate chinese human players. Why did ToD quit? =/
Another of those Grubby fanboys. I like how they can be shut up with one question:
What strategies did Grubby invent?
Mastermind my ass lol.
Basetrading or atleast he is the best at it.
FunPlayer wrote:
StenGahoe wrote:
MLW wrote:
They are true gosus who win with Micro, Macro and Brain, unlike Nubby.Grubby is the mastermind in Wc3! And Sky destroyed Wc3 cus he only masses towers. I hate chinese human players. Why did ToD quit? =/
Another of those Grubby fanboys. I like how they can be shut up with one question:
What strategies did Grubby invent?
Mastermind my ass lol.
You are wrong sir. Grubby indeed did a lot for orc (asside fooling bliz). He was the one who streamlined grunt raiders (w/out SW) back in the days. He also was the one to win bo5 vs MadFroG at the time UD v Orc was the most imbalanced matchup, but the other way around.
Also, call it cheese or not, but he was the one to open 2-3 raiders base harras while creepeing, and full base raid vs orc / ne.
partner0 wrote:
You are wrong sir. Grubby indeed did a lot for orc (asside fooling bliz). He was the one who streamlined grunt raiders (w/out SW) back in the days. He also was the one to win bo5 vs MadFroG at the time UD v Orc was the most imbalanced matchup, but the other way around.Also, call it cheese or not, but he was the one to open 2-3 raiders base harras while creepeing, and full base raid vs orc / ne.
He was simply the best Orc when grunt raider was the basic opening (just as it is today, gogo orc versatility), he didn't invent it.
He beat Frog, but that isn't a strategy. Just shows that even with destro bug Orc vs Ud was at least balanced.
And the 3 raider harass was invented by some Korean semi-pro Orc that owned Check on GW with it. That was one hilarious game with 6k gold for the Orc who finished it off with lusted wyvern.
Fullout baseraid was probably invented by Elakeduck.
Nice try. Next.
agresive burrow placment against human
migiel wrote:
agresive burrow placment against humanaggressive*
placement*
edit x]
migiel wrote:
agresive burrow placment against humanI let that count, even it's a pathetic attempt and can hardly be called a strategy. A tactic, sure.
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
agresive burrow placment against humanI let that count, even it's a pathetic attempt and can hardly be called a strategy. A tactic, sure.
Before I say anything,let's make smth clear:I DO NOT like the fact that orcs do the exact same crap against any player/race.
But let's be realistic:Why would they bother with inventing anything when they are on a huge winning streak?(orcs in general)They obviously have the ultimate unit combo and until it proves itself ineffective against a certain other strat, they will NOT feel the need to revolutionize their strat.There are just some ppl who enjoy winning by any means necessary,even if it means not being popular among the fans of the game/sport,while there are others who opt for creativity,versatility and risk.
FunPlayer,i've agreed with you all the way so far,but this is where I think you're wrong.You have this disparaging attitude towards the offensive burrow placement against human which is wrong imo,because the HU early t2 tower push was by far the most anoying thing for orcs for a large period of time.And when smth is invented to counter it,it deserves your respect.Now,given your attitude towards burrow placement,I am inclined to think you will not be impressed with the following,but here it is:grubby was also the first man to think of his barracks/burrow placement in order to avoid his demolishers getting stuck while defending from tower pushes.Seems logical and maybe even inane that it took orcs such a long time to think of this,but so does every counter AFTER it had already been invented.
And another thing...I can't be quite sure that it was grubby,but if it was,he was the first man ever in the pro scene to use windwalk to free a surrounded hero.It happened years ago,in the 2v2 of WE vs 4K in the WC3L Lan Finals.It could have been Remind,but I believe it was grubby.Correct me if I am wrong
Grubby is the mastermind in Wc3! And Sky destroyed Wc3 cus he only masses towers. I hate chinese human players. Why did ToD quit? =/
I can't stand mass towers myself, but how is Grubby running around destroying buildings, after realizing he can't win any other way, somehow so much more acceptable as a strategy? they're both basically the same thing: using whatever is the most efficient method for the player to secure a win.
double standards much?
wow, I fucked up my post real proper. where's the goddamn edit button!?
first of all, grubby didnt invent the burrowplacement. he was just the first one who prostituted himself and made a video of his placement. it was "invented" by lyn who was the first orc since a long time who beat sky in a bo5.
jeromederbuckel wrote:
first of all, grubby didnt invent the burrowplacement. he was just the first one who prostituted himself and made a video of his placement. it was "invented" by lyn who was the first orc since a long time who beat sky in a bo5.Hahahaha,please...You're joking right?Lyn was in the same clan with Sky and no where near grubbys lvl when the dutchman had already been using his offensive burrow placement against humans for a while...At that time Lyn was nowhere to be found
Sorry, but which year are we talking about?
My memories aren't that good before 07.
I only remember the time when Grubby almost always lost to Sky, and the fanboys were crying how imba HU was.
And same clan means that they won't face each other? I think jeromederbuckel meant the WWWC3 event where Lyn beat Sky.
Around 07 Grubby was not toplevel.
So you must surely mean the time before 07.
Can you be more precise?
My memories aren't that good before 07.
I only remember the time when Grubby almost always lost to Sky, and the fanboys were crying how imba HU was.
And same clan means that they won't face each other? I think jeromederbuckel meant the WWWC3 event where Lyn beat Sky.
Around 07 Grubby was not toplevel.
So you must surely mean the time before 07.
Can you be more precise?
Itachi_Uchiha wrote:
Sorry, but which year are we talking about?My memories aren't that good before 07.
I only remember the time when Grubby almost always lost to Sky, and the fanboys were crying how imba HU was.
And same clan means that they won't face each other? I think jeromederbuckel meant the WWWC3 event where Lyn beat Sky.
Around 07 Grubby was not toplevel.
So you must surely mean the time before 07.
Can you be more precise?
Well,if you want I could check the exact year,but I don't think it's necessary.Don't mistake me for a ''fanboy'' I am just being realistic.Sky did beat grubby in almost every game.I remember that vividly since he was practically a defwin when facing ToD or Grubby in the times of 4K.
When Lyn was in WE,he was far from what he is today.I also don't remember him doing anything worth mentioning while he was in WE besides WWW2007 where he took 2nd place,if memory serves.
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
agresive burrow placment against humanI let that count, even it's a pathetic attempt and can hardly be called a strategy. A tactic, sure.
Before I say anything,let's make smth clear:I DO NOT like the fact that orcs do the exact same crap against any player/race.
But let's be realistic:Why would they bother with inventing anything when they are on a huge winning streak?(orcs in general)They obviously have the ultimate unit combo and until it proves itself ineffective against a certain other strat, they will NOT feel the need to revolutionize their strat.There are just some ppl who enjoy winning by any means necessary,even if it means not being popular among the fans of the game/sport,while there are others who opt for creativity,versatility and risk.
FunPlayer,i've agreed with you all the way so far,but this is where I think you're wrong.You have this disparaging attitude towards the offensive burrow placement against human which is wrong imo,because the HU early t2 tower push was by far the most anoying thing for orcs for a large period of time.And when smth is invented to counter it,it deserves your respect.Now,given your attitude towards burrow placement,I am inclined to think you will not be impressed with the following,but here it is:grubby was also the first man to think of his barracks/burrow placement in order to avoid his demolishers getting stuck while defending from tower pushes.Seems logical and maybe even inane that it took orcs such a long time to think of this,but so does every counter AFTER it had already been invented.
And another thing...I can't be quite sure that it was grubby,but if it was,he was the first man ever in the pro scene to use windwalk to free a surrounded hero.It happened years ago,in the 2v2 of WE vs 4K in the WC3L Lan Finals.It could have been Remind,but I believe it was grubby.Correct me if I am wrong
Pretty long post considering I accepted it :D
Insomnia is a legend because of his building placement, just as I would accept the guy who started building wisps in to protect them from the Blademaster. I can't leave out burrow placement then.
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
jeromederbuckel wrote:
first of all, grubby didnt invent the burrowplacement. he was just the first one who prostituted himself and made a video of his placement. it was "invented" by lyn who was the first orc since a long time who beat sky in a bo5.Hahahaha,please...You're joking right?Lyn was in the same clan with Sky and no where near grubbys lvl when the dutchman had already been using his offensive burrow placement against humans for a while...At that time Lyn was nowhere to be found
Lyn being less succesful than Grubby back then does not cancel out the possibility of him having invented the burrowplacement. I too remember seeing a korean orc make use of that before Grubby, but I could be wrong.
Can't believe there's half a thread about orc creativity/lack of without mentioning Aca! Anyone who can use a farseer with any success in the modern game deserves respect imo. That's why i love watching him and Fly and even Rotti (though he loses 9/10 times i see him play T_T).
Zechs wrote:
Can't believe there's half a thread about orc creativity/lack of without mentioning Aca! Anyone who can use a farseer with any success in the modern game deserves respect imo. That's why i love watching him and Fly and even Rotti (though he loses 9/10 times i see him play T_T).Aca is my countryman and I think it's detrimental for him to stay in nGize.If he is still pursuing a wc3 pro player career,then such a big clan in wc3 might not be the way to go.For aspiring players,at least.
I would have mentioned him before,but we are talking about the LACK of creativity. :)
Rotti is also fun to watch,even though he obviously lacks practise.As for Fly,he uses FS only against HU sometimes,same as grubby.
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...
guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
FunPlayer wrote:
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
danamann wrote:
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeahyeah, we saw how bears worked out in WCG 2008. Bats get used and fulfill their role. If bats at some point don't work vs heay air anymore that's a question of the matchup. Elf can't beat 80 food of Ud, unless they have an expo.Orc can't beat Human air unless they made up for it earlier in the game (heroes, more expos...). Now don't start about the balance of Human vs Orc please.
@migiel: how convenient, they don't play ghuls because of wyvern. another matchup where grunt raiders works just fine all the time, right?
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
Mass bears is a very rare strat nowadays against orc and cannot be used on any map.And NE actually are afraid of kodos cuz they DO counter bears
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
Mass bears is a very rare strat nowadays against orc and cannot be used on any map.And NE actually are afraid of kodos cuz they DO counter bears
Oh my god, what a pity! It can't be used on any map! Fortunately there's still mass talons so elf doesn't have to worry. And NO, elf does NOT care about Kodos, please just watch Thrall against BenSeN recently on WTV, they don't even care about the bears, dh and panda solve. While elf can decide whether to go mass talons, dh + kotg mass dry, straight tech to bears, aow push or whatever, Orc is the race that has to adjust. It is really sad how little you actually know about this game. Riding on the Orc-is-imba wave just because you don't have any clue how this game works. The only imbalanced matchup is Orc-Undead, Orc is at most balanced against Elf, and has a slight disadvantage against human. Happy also said Orc is still the weakest race not so long ago, even if I don't quite agree with that, it is ridiculous to suggest that Orc has an advantage against every race.
noob.
FunPlayer wrote:
@migiel: how convenient, they don't play ghuls because of wyvern. another matchup where grunt raiders works just fine all the time, right?and cmon its ridiculous to say that orc playing same shit all time. Every fucking race playing same shit in every matchup. This game is simply to old.
The only thing that makes Orc looks so imba is the map pool
danamann wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
Mass bears is a very rare strat nowadays against orc and cannot be used on any map.And NE actually are afraid of kodos cuz they DO counter bears
Oh my god, what a pity! It can't be used on any map! Fortunately there's still mass talons so elf doesn't have to worry. And NO, elf does NOT care about Kodos, please just watch Thrall against BenSeN recently on WTV, they don't even care about the bears, dh and panda solve. While elf can decide whether to go mass talons, dh + kotg mass dry, straight tech to bears, aow push or whatever, Orc is the race that has to adjust. It is really sad how little you actually know about this game. Riding on the Orc-is-imba wave just because you don't have any clue how this game works. The only imbalanced matchup is Orc-Undead, Orc is at most balanced against Elf, and has a slight disadvantage against human. Happy also said Orc is still the weakest race not so long ago, even if I don't quite agree with that, it is ridiculous to suggest that Orc has an advantage against every race.
noob.
Adapting with the buildings you already have. Tough shit. Wake up, buddy. This is 1.24, not 1.21.
It might be true what you say Danamann. But as long as BM still lives on un-nerfed, Orc will always be seen as imbalanced in every occation no matter how you try argue about it. He is simply too strong
FunPlayer wrote:
danamann wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
Mass bears is a very rare strat nowadays against orc and cannot be used on any map.And NE actually are afraid of kodos cuz they DO counter bears
Oh my god, what a pity! It can't be used on any map! Fortunately there's still mass talons so elf doesn't have to worry. And NO, elf does NOT care about Kodos, please just watch Thrall against BenSeN recently on WTV, they don't even care about the bears, dh and panda solve. While elf can decide whether to go mass talons, dh + kotg mass dry, straight tech to bears, aow push or whatever, Orc is the race that has to adjust. It is really sad how little you actually know about this game. Riding on the Orc-is-imba wave just because you don't have any clue how this game works. The only imbalanced matchup is Orc-Undead, Orc is at most balanced against Elf, and has a slight disadvantage against human. Happy also said Orc is still the weakest race not so long ago, even if I don't quite agree with that, it is ridiculous to suggest that Orc has an advantage against every race.
noob.
Adapting with the buildings you already have. Tough shit. Wake up, buddy. This is 1.24, not 1.21.
uhm yeah, first of all if you go tc when elf is playing dryads, you already lost. if he's going for mass dryads, walker suck. and tell me, what about elf? they either make 2 AoW's or 2 AoL's. Way to go with variety! and talking about maps..please tell me how to beat elf on close position on TR. Also TS is such a bad orc map and on TM it's really hard for orc as well since elf can chose from like 5 different strategies and if you can't figure out which one he's using, you most likely lose. and elfs whining about BM is the biggest joke ever. BM doesn't do shit while he's cycloned. he attacks exactly 7 seconds (invu pot) and that's it. and if you can't handle bm until you have master talons (which takes like 5 minutes since elf can tech straight to t3 with 1 archer and dh), you simply suck. Orc without BM is like undead without nuke or human without expo. they can't do shit. Human and elf are really not in the position to complain about Orc, since they have a good enough counter. (hi @bolt, slow, and breaker focus). I repeat, Undead is the only race which has a right to complain about Orc.
Some of you here have ZERO scene knowledge. Nubby didn't invent a damn thing for orc. He used to go grunt/ shaman every game until zacard started using/grunt raider/wyvern. He used Far Seer every game until zacard and FarSeer(the player) started using blademaster to good effect in WEG and the korean leagues.
Nubby never harrassed with 1 hero and creeped with TC until the more original Korean's started using it. (namely zacard)
Basically, he didn't invent a thing in this game; but he was very good at copying zacard.
Nubby never harrassed with 1 hero and creeped with TC until the more original Korean's started using it. (namely zacard)
Basically, he didn't invent a thing in this game; but he was very good at copying zacard.
Orc vs UD was imba even when orcs went far seer first every game.
Now with item stacking blade, you have a free win.
Now with item stacking blade, you have a free win.
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
danamann wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
Mass bears is a very rare strat nowadays against orc and cannot be used on any map.And NE actually are afraid of kodos cuz they DO counter bears
Oh my god, what a pity! It can't be used on any map! Fortunately there's still mass talons so elf doesn't have to worry. And NO, elf does NOT care about Kodos, please just watch Thrall against BenSeN recently on WTV, they don't even care about the bears, dh and panda solve. While elf can decide whether to go mass talons, dh + kotg mass dry, straight tech to bears, aow push or whatever, Orc is the race that has to adjust. It is really sad how little you actually know about this game. Riding on the Orc-is-imba wave just because you don't have any clue how this game works. The only imbalanced matchup is Orc-Undead, Orc is at most balanced against Elf, and has a slight disadvantage against human. Happy also said Orc is still the weakest race not so long ago, even if I don't quite agree with that, it is ridiculous to suggest that Orc has an advantage against every race.
noob.
Adapting with the buildings you already have. Tough shit. Wake up, buddy. This is 1.24, not 1.21.
uhm yeah, first of all if you go tc when elf is playing dryads, you already lost. if he's going for mass dryads, walker suck. and tell me, what about elf? they either make 2 AoW's or 2 AoL's. Way to go with variety! and talking about maps..please tell me how to beat elf on close position on TR. Also TS is such a bad orc map and on TM it's really hard for orc as well since elf can chose from like 5 different strategies and if you can't figure out which one he's using, you most likely lose. and elfs whining about BM is the biggest joke ever. BM doesn't do shit while he's cycloned. he attacks exactly 7 seconds (invu pot) and that's it. and if you can't handle bm until you have master talons (which takes like 5 minutes since elf can tech straight to t3 with 1 archer and dh), you simply suck. Orc without BM is like undead without nuke or human without expo. they can't do shit. Human and elf are really not in the position to complain about Orc, since they have a good enough counter. (hi @bolt, slow, and breaker focus). I repeat, Undead is the only race which has a right to complain about Orc.
Typical orc trash complaining about versatility.
hunts = sh
archers = tc
archers to dryads? lol
But what to expect, you're still complaining about cyclone, after 4 years you still can't use walkers...
After 4 years you still flame other races into oblivion while spamming D on your altar.
Hi funplayer.
Hi funplayer.
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
danamann wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
Mass bears is a very rare strat nowadays against orc and cannot be used on any map.And NE actually are afraid of kodos cuz they DO counter bears
Oh my god, what a pity! It can't be used on any map! Fortunately there's still mass talons so elf doesn't have to worry. And NO, elf does NOT care about Kodos, please just watch Thrall against BenSeN recently on WTV, they don't even care about the bears, dh and panda solve. While elf can decide whether to go mass talons, dh + kotg mass dry, straight tech to bears, aow push or whatever, Orc is the race that has to adjust. It is really sad how little you actually know about this game. Riding on the Orc-is-imba wave just because you don't have any clue how this game works. The only imbalanced matchup is Orc-Undead, Orc is at most balanced against Elf, and has a slight disadvantage against human. Happy also said Orc is still the weakest race not so long ago, even if I don't quite agree with that, it is ridiculous to suggest that Orc has an advantage against every race.
noob.
Adapting with the buildings you already have. Tough shit. Wake up, buddy. This is 1.24, not 1.21.
uhm yeah, first of all if you go tc when elf is playing dryads, you already lost. if he's going for mass dryads, walker suck. and tell me, what about elf? they either make 2 AoW's or 2 AoL's. Way to go with variety! and talking about maps..please tell me how to beat elf on close position on TR. Also TS is such a bad orc map and on TM it's really hard for orc as well since elf can chose from like 5 different strategies and if you can't figure out which one he's using, you most likely lose. and elfs whining about BM is the biggest joke ever. BM doesn't do shit while he's cycloned. he attacks exactly 7 seconds (invu pot) and that's it. and if you can't handle bm until you have master talons (which takes like 5 minutes since elf can tech straight to t3 with 1 archer and dh), you simply suck. Orc without BM is like undead without nuke or human without expo. they can't do shit. Human and elf are really not in the position to complain about Orc, since they have a good enough counter. (hi @bolt, slow, and breaker focus). I repeat, Undead is the only race which has a right to complain about Orc.
if you honestly dont know how to beat mass drys as orc you shouldn't be allowed to comment on wc3. And orcs do have more variety to choose from unless you want NEs to mass hippo riders every game.
die-noobelves wrote:
After 4 years you still flame other races into oblivion while spamming D on your altar.Hi funplayer.
After 4 years your PC still keeps rebooting.
Hi die_noobelves.
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
danamann wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
danamann wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
migiel wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Hey i tried to be creative with orc ...guess what ?
all Fucking units are useless beside 3 (don't get me wrong , orc casters are a fucking joke).
Yeah, wyvern, kodos, bats, demos, they all suck.
wyver simply sucks
bats are good only as a counter, same as demos ;]
Kodos give bonus damage and are the reason nobody even tries to play heavy melee vs orc.
wyvern suck? tell that to an Undead.
A unit only good as counter? Hell, what more can you ask of them...
yeah, that's why elf never ever play mass bears! they are so afraid of kodos lol. and please tell me how effective bats are against 0-3 teched griphs with scroll of protection..hell of a counter yeah
Mass bears is a very rare strat nowadays against orc and cannot be used on any map.And NE actually are afraid of kodos cuz they DO counter bears
Oh my god, what a pity! It can't be used on any map! Fortunately there's still mass talons so elf doesn't have to worry. And NO, elf does NOT care about Kodos, please just watch Thrall against BenSeN recently on WTV, they don't even care about the bears, dh and panda solve. While elf can decide whether to go mass talons, dh + kotg mass dry, straight tech to bears, aow push or whatever, Orc is the race that has to adjust. It is really sad how little you actually know about this game. Riding on the Orc-is-imba wave just because you don't have any clue how this game works. The only imbalanced matchup is Orc-Undead, Orc is at most balanced against Elf, and has a slight disadvantage against human. Happy also said Orc is still the weakest race not so long ago, even if I don't quite agree with that, it is ridiculous to suggest that Orc has an advantage against every race.
noob.
Adapting with the buildings you already have. Tough shit. Wake up, buddy. This is 1.24, not 1.21.
uhm yeah, first of all if you go tc when elf is playing dryads, you already lost. if he's going for mass dryads, walker suck. and tell me, what about elf? they either make 2 AoW's or 2 AoL's. Way to go with variety! and talking about maps..please tell me how to beat elf on close position on TR. Also TS is such a bad orc map and on TM it's really hard for orc as well since elf can chose from like 5 different strategies and if you can't figure out which one he's using, you most likely lose. and elfs whining about BM is the biggest joke ever. BM doesn't do shit while he's cycloned. he attacks exactly 7 seconds (invu pot) and that's it. and if you can't handle bm until you have master talons (which takes like 5 minutes since elf can tech straight to t3 with 1 archer and dh), you simply suck. Orc without BM is like undead without nuke or human without expo. they can't do shit. Human and elf are really not in the position to complain about Orc, since they have a good enough counter. (hi @bolt, slow, and breaker focus). I repeat, Undead is the only race which has a right to complain about Orc.
When did I ever say that ORC vs NE is imba?I've been saying that it's the MOST BALANCED MU throughout this whole thread.Kodos don't counter bears?Have you ever heard of Devour?
sentiiii wrote:
Some of you here have ZERO scene knowledge. Nubby didn't invent a damn thing for orc. He used to go grunt/ shaman every game until zacard started using/grunt raider/wyvern. He used Far Seer every game until zacard and FarSeer(the player) started using blademaster to good effect in WEG and the korean leagues. Nubby never harrassed with 1 hero and creeped with TC until the more original Korean's started using it. (namely zacard)
Basically, he didn't invent a thing in this game; but he was very good at copying zacard.
I like creative players,but in the end of the day,it's winning that counts,not being creative and losing.Zacard did start using the BM first,but he will never be as big a player as grubby.Learn to be realistic.
Btw,naming oldschool players doesn't make you more knowledgable about the game...I've realized long ago it's a pathetic attempt to come off as a wc3 expert.Please...What the hell did FarSeer do for Orc?
pSe_eSp wrote:
hypnosed wrote:
Orc final please , watching three units and BM abuse is funnier than watching mass dotts and DH manaburns flying everywhere...haha :D
I like SocceR and Grubby but I prefer Grubby wins him because Grubby will be more difficult to Lyn. If SocceR goes to final he wont win against Lyn, he´s so good against ne i_i gl SocceR and Grubby :)
Epic Fail :D :)
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
What the hell did FarSeer do for Orc?The suhoooooooooooo ladder game during the first WEG is in my personal top10 :)
And he (ab)used Blademaster long before Grubby, which means he was way better than him.
FunPlayer wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
What the hell did FarSeer do for Orc?The suhoooooooooooo ladder game during the first WEG is in my personal top10 :)
And he (ab)used Blademaster long before Grubby, which means he was way better than him.
I am not saying FarSeer was not a memorable player,but he did not ''invent'' anything.As for your second sentence,I am pretty sure you're being sarcastic so I am not gonna answer :)
FunPlayer wrote:
And he (ab)used Blademaster long before Grubby, which means he was way better than him.FunPlayer wrote:
die-noobelves wrote:
After 4 years you still flame other races into oblivion while spamming D on your altar.Hi funplayer.
After 4 years your PC still keeps rebooting.
Hi die_noobelves.
I've gotten a new computer since then. You still haven't got a new brain or a new D button on your keyboard.
Hi funplayer.
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
What the hell did FarSeer do for Orc?The suhoooooooooooo ladder game during the first WEG is in my personal top10 :)
And he (ab)used Blademaster long before Grubby, which means he was way better than him.
I am not saying FarSeer was not a memorable player,but he did not ''invent'' anything.As for your second sentence,I am pretty sure you're being sarcastic so I am not gonna answer :)
FarSeer was the first one to successfully use burrow rush v NE at pro level (on TR close pos). Even though it's not and never was used much it is a viable option even nowadays...
partner0 wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
FunPlayer wrote:
gwt_ds_carw wrote:
What the hell did FarSeer do for Orc?The suhoooooooooooo ladder game during the first WEG is in my personal top10 :)
And he (ab)used Blademaster long before Grubby, which means he was way better than him.
I am not saying FarSeer was not a memorable player,but he did not ''invent'' anything.As for your second sentence,I am pretty sure you're being sarcastic so I am not gonna answer :)
FarSeer was the first one to successfully use burrow rush v NE at pro level (on TR close pos). Even though it's not and never was used much it is a viable option even nowadays...
I wasn't aware of that.However,it's a one-time-strat that could work once as a surprise and never again
