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Fact is we'll have yet another orc mirror final and of course yet another Orc tournament winner.

I wish I saved some of hypnoob's, die_noobelves' etc. whines so I could just copypaste them and switch elf with orc. Only that orc is more imba, much more succesful and much more boring.

imba orc of course

elf won everything for like a year and still most of them said it's not imba, just better players ...

he is in bade shape

That's 1.22

You're kidding right? Moon has been playing so terribly lately.. making huge mistakes. Did you see his MV game vs. Lyn in IeSF? His third game against Lyn in EM III? lvl 40 ladder players never make those kind of retarded errors... Every game he makes huge mistakes. Yes, blame his shape on imbalance, fanboys..

Anyone who has seen the wcg final and has any clue about wc3 knows it could have gone either way.

Would this thread have been here if moon had won the wcg? I don't think so.

Also why is moon in bad shape exactly? because he lost a couple of bo3 to some of the best players in the world? Because he can't abuse himself to victory as easily as before? Because a balanced matchup is completely alien to elves after being imbalanced for most of the entire history of wc3?

I'll just quote two players here:
happy: elf is the strongest race it has no weak matchups
remind: loser whines.

wasnt it Grubby who just a while ago whined as hell how imba elf is and how weak orc was ?

"Playing with Elf vs Orc is like shooting handicapped ducks in a barrel" or smt like that

I know u know who said that

I guess he also thinks no one can beat him on this planet.

it should be the other way around but nevermind.......

just states that its very hard for orc to play vs elf not more not less.

#NookE when did happy say that? 2 years ago? and Remind is a proffesional he needs to stay diplomatic, but the truth is orc is overpowered, blademaster with critical strikes, healing wave and spirit link is just an unstoppable killing machine, look how fast every hero looses hp to this bs hero, u need to get a good beginning to avoid being raped by orcba

actually he said it one week ago

http://www.mymym.com/en/coverage/536/44.html

He also feels orc is the weakest race overall, and thats coming from a undead player.

Moon is a legend...... no one can do what Moon do in WC3 Scene...

"elf won everything for like a year and still most of them said it's not imba, just better players ..."

The thing is no matter if the people who defended elf back then were right or the people whining about Orc now: The result HAS to be the same. A nerf for orc.

Also some interesting opinions. Reminds me of myself last year. Suddenly it's the winner playing awesome, the loser screwing up, some player just winning by chance...
You know what the replies were back then? ELF

Guess what, guys: ORC

who cares what happy says? he might be a good player but once an undead says elf is the best race it's kinda impossible too take anything else he says seriously

well i don't know how does it feel to play on the highest lvl, but it doesn't seem elf is better than other races, and i don't get how can happy whine on ne after beating sase and hot 2-0 and taking one map away from moon, he lost wcg qualis to orc (who actually pwned him quite hard) i rly don't get the point :D, is he blind? just look how top orcs are doing

Where does he whine? Yeah I guess it's pretty shocking that he doesn't give the usual my race is the weakest rhetoric, but he is looking at the overall picture. He says undead is strong against elf, and you understand that as whining about elf?

staff nerf/fix when orc's main "strategy" is to rightclick heroes didn't change anything? Plus as I said quite often already: Swapping staff at early tier2 allowed many different strategies or tactical variations like mass archers + Aow or simply Dh + Bem burrow harassing to secure the tech. Now it's all the same.

About Happy: It's not the first time he says that, but he loses credibility when he says undead is strong vs elf and then that elf has no weak matchups. He raped Sase, Check and remind in a row but loses to Lucifron. I doubt he believes what he says.

can't say moon is in bad shape.but yeh he has a hard time

#Nooke
well ure quite right, i would also agree ud isn't that bad at all (pretty good vs hu/elf) same goes to elf and hu, but orc is definately on top now
and btw. i haven't watched the videoiview, or i misunderstood happy talking about elf, but when u wrote "happy: elf is the strongest race it has no weak matchups" i took it he whined ;P

orc is the best race atm, dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out and denieing it is dumb as well, just as dumb as elfs denied their race was the best for a long time, blademaster is way to good, simple as that, fix blade and we got a nice game.

even orcs admit that their race is bullshit and imba.

I am ud and I also admit we are totally imba yeah \o/