Hi I just want to talk about WC3 here, no fixed topic.
For me a lot of things changed in wc3. Orc became imbalanced after the patch.
Grubby still loses a lot and is not top 3 orc. Fury still has no team( like happy). Dota sucks but many people play it. That's what I think about wc3 atm please tell me what you think.

funny how ppl say that orc became imbalanced after the patch , although orc wasnt touched and the changes werent that significant.Same as human from the weakest race became "humba" although there werent any changes regarding balance.Simply we play almost the same game since 1.20 so orc has never been weak except for grubby.

Tower repair greatly affected Orc vs Human, which was their worst matchup, and elf got nerfed.
Ofc Orc is imba, or why do we suddenly see 4 of top8 in tournaments are orc and "new" talents becoming top5 worldwide?

because u are a noob and pretty clueless.Tower repair barely matters since even in 1.21 the tier2 push was not really widely used since Orcs found how to counter it + orc has almost only melee units so if u are doing a t2 push simply surrond the tower with peasants and repair it , in this way orc cant hit it LOL.Elf got nerfed , what was exactly the nerf , the staff ? You get a second one later and its like no change.The dryad exp buffing was pretty justfied and still in most of the games elves do the talon strat.Stop making me laugh about the second part with "talents" getting top5.If u mean Lucifron , then u are pretty clueless since he was beating many of the top players in 1.21 in NGL 2 so really get a clue.And how u got that top5 I dont really understand.

yesterday I played my second solo in 1.22 haha vs some orc and the bm strat is really powerful but simply orcs have improved this style of play since the last time I played kinda actively obviously.But earlier or sooner a counter to this will be found (as to each widely used strategy) and orc will be "TEH WEAKEST RACE ZOMFG" again nevertheless I barely believe that we will live up to a new patch regarding balance.

I dont say that there aint some "imba" things but its ridiculous to call a race "imbalanced" since it hasnt been changed for more than 2 years and just some months ago u have called it "Weak" LOL as I said in my previous post

I said Orc is weak? "QUOTE ME!" (thx Carmac)

You talk about strategies getting countered eventually and the game evolving on it's own. Guess what, Orc was almost on par with Elf and human in 1.21 thx to that, even without a patch. Even if the patch changes were just slight or didn't affect the game at all: Somehow now Top Orcs beat Top Humans all the time after regularily losing to them for more than a year. So no matter if Orc was at 49% or 50% compared to other races, thx to patch or new tactics they are now at least 51%, which is imba.

it's obvious Funplayer is right.

mb Orc is imba but i dont know why .. nothing changed after patch and "became imba.." y repair rate is reduced but with more militia i think can make good TR .. und still weak .. and elf is still somehow imba..

Hostile don't talk about things you don't have a clue about, ty

Shit, can't edit anymore.

Omg just take a look at the results. 5/8 orcs in NWL? ffs before that they were .... 1 ? Barely 2?
Sky losing to WhO (even if WhO is a good player) etc. You can look the logs and say " LOL NOTHING CHANGED" but remember thats reality > logs :/

okay thats right , orc is imba , pls screenshot that topic , after 3-4 months there will be some other race imba topic then it will switch to some other race and so on and so on , although as I said we wont live up to a new balance patch , mark my words

I will, if there is no new patch, you'll see more and more Orcs.

I dont say orc is imba but just they have a little advantage vs the others, insurmountable. Not as ud in 1.15 etc

the thing that made orc "strong" this patch, they only truly started to develop their strengths late 1.21, such as blade/sh and the use of sws correctly, and ofc item stacking. This left them already with a pretty significant force in almost every mu they played. (before this they were losing vs human/elf around a 45% ratio) so putting this into effect, they started pulling this back to above 50%. Now blizzard nerfed the other races (human and elf) after orc already started to defeat them, This imo is what has lead to orc dominating - blizz reacting too late, and under the wrong influence - the past, and deep into the past at that.

now orc players wish their blade could spawn with a circlet rather than a tp
save the trouble of running to the shop etc you know

undead vs elf was about 60-40 win for ud and then they nerf elf and buff ud even more, gl moon your our only hope now :(

oh btw, god jul

Orc-imba
Und-weak
Human-mb balanced or weak ..
elf-somehow imba

who told you this ? the map hack ? :/

its just blademaster that can walk trough units . Honestly this is the only problem, all bliz has to do is fix that shit back and the game would be so much better

it took many years but now that orcs use tier3 much more often, they are performing better

critical strike should also not be affected by + damage from items and he cant run trough units before he got level 2 windwalk and bm should be fixed.

and yes nerf dh too he is gay... manaburn should just be removed and replaced with another skill, burning mana away from heroes makes it impossible to use many heroes against nightelf and that takes out alot of fun from the game just like bm does when orc always know where you are and what you're doing so you have to be extremely careful.. alot of other stuff also needs to be fixed but these 2 heroes are the biggest problem

Rotterdam, it surprises me that you're orc xD
I honestly think that if you "fix" the walking through units ability, orc would become instantly underpowered somehow. One surround and he'd be gone.

just like almost every other hero ?

exactly... its more bizarre you simply can't surround blade and need, in mirror atleast 2 raiders + sh + reveal to stop him harrasing, even then if he has an invul potion he will still run away after using ww again, its just annoying and blade would still be a very good hero since windwalk is a great spell either way, critical strike is oke i think, ofcourse its strong but if you make a lvl 2 shockwave trough an army, count the amount of damage, like 6/7 x 130 = ? quite some criticals :D, mb it shouldnt ignore armor but anyway i don't think its the biggest problem, if they fix wind walk back blade is still a great hero, just not uncatchable anymore and you actually gotta watch out for losing it or letting it trapped, would be a perfect change and make the game better.

Hehe well, that isn't happening anyway. The game will stay as it is now, without balance changes T_T (unless they make a new patch 24572457 years later)
If they did that, I could maybe even start doing DL ghouls again xD

human can still creep with their peasants... blizzard! what the hell??

well ud and orc can still creep with their peasants too, so where is the problem ?

StadduM stop eating Hamburgers...

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