well he used to be better in mirror at that time, but im talking about the current situation. and with the patch, the other elves wont get better.

"Omg, 90% of all players are noob-elves!!11!"

That's because new players get brainwashed of you guys saying: "NE is so imba! Pick ne as your race and u will become pro-gamer in no time!!1!1!!". On top of that, Moon is probably the most famous wc3-player and people look up to him. Of course people play elf.

"Elves win all tournaments!"

Yes, there are more of them, remember? And then again, Moon is the fifth race which unfortunately still counts in the statistics.

"Dryads so imba!!!"

You all know how to counter them, u just won't admit it because you need something to blame when u lose. Probably you made some mistake like letting your tier 2 building get cancelled or something.

"No, I swear, I played perfectly!"

Yeah, right.

"Bears so imba!"

When you don't have the counter to them, yep. Then the game is pretty much over, just like when you see a horde of flying enemy units or when the opponent gets an expo up without u noticing.

To support my argument that the game is balanced, ask any pro-gamer (except RotterdaM of course :P). They will answer that the better player always wins. End of story.

MYM]Lucifer:

It's a fair patch. In the past, which race do you think can simply mass one type of unit to win, while other races have to use a combination of units but still lose? I think thats 100% not fair!

I'd thumb you up if I could. 120% agreed.

elf is imba and .

clearly we can still whine about nelf, i mean the new patch didnt change anything to nelf besides - what increase of xp gain from 20 - 30 sounds like a 0 nerf from blizzard on nelf to me

Of course.
Moon say NE is still the best !

Elf will be imba until moon stop playing with NE ;D

ESL KotH overview: Mass Elf domination.(Remind > Madfrog; Check > Sky; DIDI > Zacard )
Nowadays Nightelfplayer arguing "Its all about moon, without him there would be no NELF domination). But there is no Moon here.

1. 4K.Grubby vs. SK.Wizard(ELF) 3:0 (12th August 2004)

2. 4K.Grubby vs. SK.FaTC 2:0 (3rd forfeited) (26th August 2004)

3. 4K.Grubby vs. Deadman(ELF) 2:3 (9th September 2004)

4. Deadman(ELF) vs. SK.MaDFroG 1:3 (23rd September 2004)

5. SK.MaDFroG vs. 64AMD.Caravaggio 3:1 (14th October 2004)

6. SK.MaDFroG vs. Phoenix_Remind(ELF) 0:3 (18th November 2004) -

7. 3wD.Remind(ELF) vs. Swain[Frienz] 3:2 (29th November 2004)

8. 3wD.Remind(ELF) vs. MYM]Lucifer 4:2 (20th January 2005)

9. Phoenix_Remind(ELF) vs. Mouz.BenQ.Romeo 2:3 (3rd March 2005)

10. Mouz.BenQ.Romeo vs. MYM]Susiria 1:3 (24th March 2005)

11. MYM]Susiria vs. SK.Zacard 1:3 (7th April 2005)

12. SK.Zacard vs. mTw-DIDI8(ELF) 2:3 (28th April 2005)

13. mTw.DIDI8(ELF) vs. SK.ElakeDuck 1:3 (3rd August 2005)

14. SK.ElakeDuck vs. mTw-WinneR 3:0 (31st August 2005)

15. SK.ElakeDuck 0:3 WE.Check(ELF) (12th September 2005)

16. WE.Check vs. WE.Sky 3:1 (29th September 2005)

17. WE.Check(ELF) vs. Mouz.Gostop 3:2 (6th October 2005)

18. WE.Check(ELF) vs. Play.Lyn 3:1 (16th November 2005)

19. WE.Check(ELF) vs. T]MH.Storm 3:1 (7th December 2005)

20. WE.Check(ELF) 2:3 vs. 4K.ToD (8th February 2006)

21. 4K.ToD vs. Fnatic.Creolophus(ELF) 3:0 (23rd February 2006)

22. 4K.ToD vs. SK.Insomnia 3:1 (30th March 2006)

23. 4K.ToD vs. Satiini(ELF) 3:0 (6th July 2006)

24. 4K.ToD vs. SK.HoT(ELF) 0:3 (31st October 2006)

25. SK.HoT vs. fnatic.Rotterdam 3:1 (29th November 2006)

26. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. mouz.Happy 3:0 (13th December 2006)

27. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. SK.fire_de 3:0 (7th February 2007)

28. SK.HoT(ELF) vs. WE.eu.Rob 3:1 (5th March 2007)

29. GG.HoT(ELF) vs. MYM]FoCuS 1:3 (12th December 2007)

30. MYM]Focus vs. mTw.Hanf(ELF) 3:1(22nd January 2008)

31 MYM]Focus vs. fnatic.Space 3:1 (22nd July 2008)

Woah, you're getting desperate. All that while whining AND playing the strongest race.

You are wrong. I'm not playing Nightelf.

This match up depends on the map. That's all.
HU: LT, GW, TR (if closepose)
NE: TM, GW (if closepose), TR
btw, what do you think about Terenas Stand? I think warden mass t1 is overpowered on it but some guys says that this map is for humans.
The other maps are quiet balanced

Dark ranger is just broken, especially on maps like TS and EI, with lots of little creeps for 1729461827 skeletons in 6 minutes with noobelf. WTF.

that's why everybody uses DR... she's so good vs tanks, Mk first etc...

But hey, it's die_noobelves, what the pros do doesn't matter. Lordaeron sub-level 25: Where the real balance is at!

Th000 vs Xyligan on TS.

http://www.esl.eu/eu/wc3l/season14/download/8780375/

Th000(Nightelf) > Ted 3rd Game ESWC China

Nightelf at its best.

Hey schnuggels:

http://www.sk-gaming.com/match/7894

Hey what? Remind > Xiaot? I think the match on TS showed the nightelf imbaness. Xiaot played so bad. 8:0 Herokills, E I G H T Funplayer :).

If u lose ur Orc heros 1-2 times in early, game will be over. No mass hero revieve, no staff, no tier3, impossible to defend the orc base. Xiaot lost every single fight and was able to come back again and again. And pls take a look @supply and herolevels. If Remind played Nightelf and Xiaot Orc, and Remind was able to kill 2 Orc Heros in early game, the game would have been over within first 10 minutes.The Game lasted 20 minutes even though Remind was dominating from minute 1 to 20. This match proved only 1 thing. NE = Imba.

classic.
Orc wins = elf imba.
Grubby beats Moon in reversed match = elf imba and no skill

You've been whining about that match for years, I guess. Now that it's the other way round, orc beating elf ALSO proves that elf is imba.
Gosh, I hope one day you wake up and realize how dumb you are.

at least in reign of chaos (classic) elf is imba
dh lvl6 + bears + dryads + skill = gg

well to Natz elf also had lowest winrate in 1.21 while being the by far most succesfull race

in 2007 elf even without moon won alot more then the other races

Sase > Tod, Southsea > Lucifer. Of Course Southsea lost the mirrormatch vs Hovermoon because it only depends on LUCK.

Anyone else gets headache from reading this thread? Oo

surely from reading schnuggels' posts :D

Some people's heads might spin around cause of all his fancy contradictions. A random elf beating another random elf makes elf mirror... balanced? or random?

And lol @ Sase > Tod. http://www.sk-gaming.com/forum/12/1334709-kaspa__sase_Xdddd
Give up schnuggels, you're dumb.

SK vs MYM.

Remind > Grubby
Soccer > Reign
Soju > 5th Race.

Reign vs Soccer Game1. Reign was at least equal :).
Moon lost against Hu? Orc? Ud? :p

Myth > Soccer
Myth > Moon

Remind > Grubby on LT and GW. Grubby deserved to win with those maps, right?
Orc lose vs Ud? :p

school > schnuggels

bump for schnuggels, what do say about the latest elf vs orc results?

Korea Blizzcon Quali? 8 Players, 5 Nightelfs, Moon out, Soccer out -> Remind, Check, Lyn(2 Nightelfs) So what Funflamer?

shit man, Zotac cup makes elf imba now? the same Zotac where elf and orc mirrors decide the outcome all the time?
And Lyn, Who, Violet beating Moon, Soju, Soccer lately? That's what i was hinting at.

Yeah Moon lost vs Lyn and that means Orc imba? "ROFL*

Soju won vs Lyn @ESWC, Ted won vs Lyn @ESWC, REIGN won vs Lyn @ESWC, HLA won vs Lyn @Wc3l so maybe MOON just played bad? Moon played so bad(YES even the fifth race can play bs) Moon also lost vs Remind?(imba mirror?) Check was able to beat Lyn twice so what?

So 3 Players managed it to reach the blizzcon tourney. LYN(ORC), REMIND(NELF), Check(NELF).

quite nice
remind beat grubby on LT and GW
tt

Zotac cup: last rounds full of NEs, finals NE mirror.
coincidence or not ?`

Elf is not imbalanced.
They are strong.
BIG difference.

they were balanced before and are now the weakest race.
BIG difference.

they were imbalanced before and still are.
NO difference, still the same bullshit

All statistics and results say otherwise. Elf sucks, it's the truth.

Funplayer sucks, that's the truth.

oh schunggels, teach me how to suck grubby's cock.

u know funplayer unless u wanna go down on shcnuggles i realy don t know how he can give u instructions about cock sucking

it also works the other way round :)

There is no race imba. All are balanced. But players play imba with elf.

yeah, i agree with endem!~ there is no race imab. all are balanced,only have imba players.!~

but currently, we can undeniable that ORC is the most powerful than other races!~