so, how many elfs are going to play undead now?

1+

Nah they will stick to elf and keep masturbating to archers.

or just a very lonely guy ;D

I don't think elves could stand to get buttraped by orcs. It's not in their nature.

Oh... Wait.

its perfect situation if you elf and go ud.
you can play elf vs orc and win.
and you can play ud vs all others and win.

oh shut the fuck up, try to micro and stop mass dryads

micro =/= nightelves so no they wont : D

Thats why the statistics show:

NE vs Orc: 50%
NE vs UD: 45%
NE vs Hu: 49%

But ye, lets nerf elf! They are obviously imbalanced and require no micro to play.
Elf got no 'strong mu' whatsoever. I agree that it used to be orc, but those times are over now.
And these were the statistics during 1.21. I wonder how much further the numbers will drop after the current elf nerfs.

Oh, and dont try to argue the statistics are solid evidence which cant be discussed.

Well, actually statistics are not solid proof of anything. For starters those statistics cover a small proportion of the games played in WC3.

@Shitsuke: Ok mr statistic, do you know that out of 33 tourneys last year, nelves won 20? It was still 1.21. Just shut up and gtfo, you are bad at the game.

they won 27 afaik.
am i missing "Ne players had pity on others so they gave them some tourneys".

and before "Moon good shape blablabla"
fact is : elves without moon won more tourneys than all races together.

1v1 anytime gerila

elfs winning most tournaments in 2007 is no reason not to call them weakest race. After all Orcs have their fair share of wins and numerous top4 results but still call themselves weakest race.

This is the most retarded thing i have heard in a while. WC3 players love copy pasting stats from ladders, and they brutally misinterpret them. Those stats are FINE. You're never going to see a game that has precisely 50% in all matchups, which would be the ideal world for you. That is impossible.

Really, anything within the 40% win rate area is perfectly acceptable and does not equate to balance issues.
Dumb ass.

yeah, orc vs ud is balanced, just like ud vs elf.

Shitsuke didn't we play and you start whining in game while your archers got a+moved by defended footmen? :))) As much as I find it that funny, I fail to see how you can show your point upon a game between 2 random people. Go jump off a cliff or jerk off a dryad.

+1 geek_nd , try to use a litle bit of micro and stop mass + panda spam.

UD is always weak vs ORC :-/

I guess we will see more Bear + Hippo now, it's a strong tactic as well but requires a lot more macro skills and micro.

I wonder what micro attack moved roared hippos need. But whatever, I guess people will cry "elf no micro bear hippo" in a week from now and "at least dryads had to be microed somehow".

ye and goddamned orc vs ud will still be the same ( i mean bm with circlets will do everything on his own)

what are u complaining about
it s only fair that dryads give the same xp like all 3food units
if it were up to me i d also raise gold cost to 200
and yes elves plz go play ud so u can get owned by orcs mybe then u ll stop crying when u go back to elf in 2 days
and ofc elf is the weakest race tahts why moon won bwi
oh wait.. he palyed elf
oh but wait again he don t count .. he s imba not the race
great excuse then start playing 16h a day like him and u ll be imba also retard

You are the obvious retard here ignoring the statistics. We never said its impossible to win, but the odds are sure against elf from now on in ANY mu.

dryads giving same xp as gargs tanks demolishers mortars sorcs and tanks now. Ah wait, that was 1.21.
And dryads nerf doesn't affect ud vs orc, while it surely affects ud vs elf. So you make no sense.

Where do i not make sense? Kume_V insinuated with obvious sarcasm that elf isnt the weakest race 'because Moon won BWI' People still whining about elf being imbalanced are obviously fed up that they are too noobish themselves rendering them unable to see THE FUCKING FACTS.

rofl the threadmaker is whining about imbalance not me
or why did he ask how many elves are switching to ud?
because ud is weaker?
hm nice logic let s all switch to weakest race so we can all lose hell yeah!!
great logic realy
and about ur stupid statistics let me tell u they don t mean shit

elfs switched to Orc, not cause elf is weaker but out of necessity.

Please, stop embarrassing yourself further funplayer.

it's embarrassing if people think elfs switched to Orc vs Ud for fun. But you're retarded anyway, die_noobelves.

ne=ud, the most balanced matchup in history

agree, did u see Creo or Moon or ( even ""bad mannered Deadman"") whine ???.... get a life to all those who can only cry instead of working on his skill-strats...

orc is the new elf

nice how all elves get thumbed down.
Anyways stop crying, start playing.

Lets not lower ourselves (humans, undead, elves) to the orc level. (crying that their totally weak, while they are like the "bm+sh+raider+sw+herofocus = 70% win vs all races" race.)

i actualy have to disagree with that
most of the solo games i won after patch were against orc

sure i agree all that sell tp buy boots and circlet is kinda lol
but in 1 game i lost tp + hero am lvl 2 early game and still came out on top after i pushed his base with 50 pop mass caster + towers am+bm
sure he made a big mistake cause he didnt have tp on him and before he got to his base the towers were alreadly up but still i consider it was an easy win

all my loses are due to elf -> guess those dryads are still good
barely saw an ud players i think i beat 1

nightelf is imba

just want that the people thumb me up :))

Backfired. I guess.

Did not work ..................damn :(

actually that driad crap doesnt give a shit to balance changes

you're right NE is still bullshit

ehm let me explain smth to you.
elf vs undead u can play mass garcs now and win cause =
If u play mass dry the undead becomes coil nova lvl 3 so fast, that your panda wont reach lvl 4 i guess.
if u go for hippos the lich will nova and the garcs have in combination with the dreadlord and aura for example a huge advantage.
the orb is fixed a bit but thats not so important.

According to you, Nightelf can't win Undead now, which is just wrong. Undead vs Nightelf before the patch was (at least for me) kind of balanced. The orb nerf really wont hurt too much. The staff nerf does, especially against coil-nova nukes. Dryads gave 40xp (as tier2 unit) like a goul,footman,archer.. even hardcore nelfs will agree that this is imbalanced, it's totally obvious to everyone. It's more a bug fix than a balance change.

Why shouldn't hippo+bear work like it did before? Nothing changed here.

now i'm gonna love even more coil/nova

+ impale or forsaked lightnig or how was it for naga ?

why fellow undeads thumbing me down :( I just said the only good thing in our race ! :(

I am not having troubles anymore, you just suck O.o