in fact u are wrong
the bear dryad "cliche" is not out of date
furthermore i never said that ne can t use more then 1 strat nither that they don t know more then 1 strat i simply stated taht until bear/dry continues in beeing use in all amtchups the nerf did not do it s job
there is a big difference
in fact i am sure that ne has the same or even more strats then other races that actualy work very good compared to other races
about the hero choices i can say that u fail in warcraft if u haven t learned yet why elves use merc heros
they re called moonwells and are compatible with all heros
if u are ud obviously blight regeneration won t help u much if u buy tinker now is it half as good a choice as DK or CL for taht matter
if u play orc or human ofc u won t go buying fl/bm/tinker when u have AM and FS at home that also have summons to creep with
for second hero sure but not for 1st
about panda it s so clear...
sure elves love to buy it when they face ud and hum simply because garg is low hp
ghoul is low hp
sorc/priest low hp
rifles low hp
but on the other had u find urselves against 1000 hp bears and magic imune dryads + mana burn
u recon panda is a good choice?
get a clue says I...
i hate to say it but u are heavily biased even much more then me
u ignore the basic principals of the game simply so u can prove me wrong where there is nothing i wish more then a balanced game
let s continue with army choices
human definetly can t apply the same tactic successfully in all matchups
let me explain hu vs hu mass air or mass barker caster
hu vs orc mass casters later barkers
hu vs ud easiest mass towers otherwise heavy mass rifles with some priests later brakers for me
hu vs elf some lots of rifles to counter dry after he gets bear u need heavy mass braker + caster

and lets see other side of story
ne vs ne bear/dry
ne vs hu bear/dry
ne vs orc bear/dry
ne vs ud heavy mass dry until garg threat is under control then bears

u see my point now?

All I see is you complaining about elf going Dh all the time while also complaing that elf can go tavern heros first cause of wells.

Your post got even more hilarious though when you said Human can't go rifles and/or casters in all matchups. In fact only Hu mirror doesn't allow rifles, that's where your right, but calling variations of riflecasters any different then bears/dryads, dryads/bears, mass dryads, fast bears followed by dryadsand son on... just shows how biased and narrow minded you are.

I repeat: You have no point. You contradict yourself the longer you post. And your last post was loooong.

i am not coplaining about anything actualy
the only thing i will make a complaint about is u writing sensless replies to my posts without even reading (or u just don t understand) them
and comparing bear/dry to human tactis is sensless
how can u even compare variations of how many dryad/bears u make with human who has to chose carefully what he does
either it is mass sors/priests folowed by spell brakers against orc
also u can chose to go tower him at 50 pop or just w8 till he attacks and do a tech to t3 even for master casters and imo rifles are useless vs orc simple as that
if he goes mass wyv just do am bm paladin mass sors/priest with inner fire and polymorph + towers in base and it s way more efective imo
for elf it s so 1 dimensional ofc u gonna tech to t3 for bears or talons for that matter
against UD again u will see human doing a whole different army then vs orc
consisting of rifles/priests or knight/tank or knight/gyro
and from elf u will see more dryads but still bear/dry
the same goes against elves totaly different army totaly different strat for humansince u need some rifles to shake off dryad + dh + naga harass
then u have to switch to brakers/casters to prepare for bears
and all that elf does again is bear/dry
against hu u need mass braker+priest or knight/priest/mortar
and elf against hu again mass dryad

and again i will say what i said in the 1st place

i know elves have plenty of working strategies beside bear/dry
the fact they don t use them is what is bothering me because that s simply an indicator that so called nerf to dryads in this patch failed
because if dryads where realy weaker then elves would resort to some other strat
yet they do not

so i guess it s not me who is biased here realy...
i am an experienced player with all races
just because human is my main race i m still not half as biased as u are
i know the facts
i play the game
say what i feel what i see
u just sit here at the forum and practise theorycraft

garg should cost 3 supply and everything would be fine ....

and panda still needs to get nerfed

1 Problem: NE alreadly has it hard enough vs. UD now. What if NE doesnt even have the Panda against mass gargs anymore ? (im UD player)

I'm a hum and drys bears are just too strong to beat (mb becuz hum doesnt have real tanking units like abos/taurens/bears ye there are knights but they are too 'small' if u know what i mean)
and bof just rapes casters, rifles and rest and even srolls of haeling doesnt helps u need them so many and bof cd is smaller that scroll

that (im UD player!!!) always make it look better.

There are changes in the patch that directly affect Dota , enough said

now all ud/elf players , prepare for some Towers Defence , but a TD that u have never seen,Now in order to secure your expo , instead of first building it and then putting some towers , u first put a bunch of towers there then a bunch of towers in your base and then u build the expo

Amazing

People are just used to cry about elf. No matter how much they nerf them....people will always say elf imba.

Elf will have a hard time vs UD now.....but that`s ok. Elf never really had to fight any imbalances.....Orc needed like 2 years of adapting to have a chance vs mass talons.

Now it`s elfs turn to find a way against undead....it`s just fair....

HArd???? its fair to have a footman-costing Magic imune, fast speed, slow-poison anti-air-melee unit give as much xp as a simple tier 1 easy to kill footman???

mortars, TANKS, demolishers, gargs, sorcs, TANKS.

I know dryads needed a rework, more gold little less lumber, but increasing xp is just the wrong move. Just shows how much Blizzard fails, cause this was one of those random 40% theorycraft noob suggestions they listened to.

any pro 1.22 replays up yet ?

Ye, I'm also looking, but couldnt find any. Why does no one upload good Westfall-replays from the last 2 months, since they are working now too.

I wish the Autosave-feature would name the replays differently.
Not that easy to find a replay if all games are named: "Replay_2008_07_01_2321.w3g"

date and time, actually it's the best possible solution.

It's good to keep them chronological, yes, but to find certain replays I think the format by Replays.net is the best as there's everything in there:
Example: "070524_4K.ToD(Hum)_vs_Sweet.WeRRa(UD)_TurtleRock_RN.w3g"

that goes for solo, but imagine a 4on4 game 4876_(Team1)xxxIllidanxxx(RND)_e1337Aragorn(Hu)_123Noobhunter456(Ud)_666DevilxD666(NE_(Team2) and so on.
Isn't there a cap on the replay name anyway?

Im not active for quite some time, but this is the probably the most stupid WC 3 patch so far. 2 years for what ? For few balance changes, 2 new commands and some retarded maps ? Im really disappointed, i expected something really bigger since they have work about 2 years on it :(

I think its bad decision for ESWC to play the Masters with 1.12.
Problem to watch replays, Cant see how pro's would cope with 1.22 etc..
If orc/ud wins there this patch is the biggest failure ever!

yes thats why they probably decided to take 1.21b and not 1.12

This patch is totally unsatisfying, i'm just glad I didn't waste all this time waiting for the patch to come out, in the meantime I was playing WoW and then reinstalled wc3 when patch came out. Quickly rebuilding my skills now. Anyway, yeah this patch is long overdue and very few changes have been made. I thought this patch was going to redefine war3, it hasn't. So many promises are being broken by both blizz reps and Karune. I used to troll around the blizz forums and they were talking about all this shit about changing AMM, making a huge patch, etc. None of that has occured and I hope we get word from Karune that this will not be the final patch.

woooo~ stronger humans..