Amazing such a simple thread has received such a good discussion! Keep it up!! ;)

pfff
Mb smbody should create little propgram, and check it.
iam to lazy for this)

The only thing that spoils any proof is critical randomness., plus the fact that even base damage is random and can vary hit by hit. You have to analyze this in terms of

a. the amount of time you have to inflict damage, be it 2 seconds or .5 seconds
b. raw damage output over a fixed length of time

and this analysis has to be considered seperately.
Also you have to consider the skill points that you spend at levels 3 and 5, would it be better to invest on a second level crit instead of a second level windwalk depending on your items? Obviously the extra stalking you can do with level 2 windwalk is definately worth it, but when you have an an army advantage, maybe the second level crit would be more beneficial just so you can attempt to end the game early.

You don't care about critical strike : hitting critics x% more often or dealing x% more damage when you hit a critic is just the same.
The whole problem (when you just consider damages and not game situation) is how much dps you gain with each item. The higher lvl your bm is, the less performant your claw is :
LVL 1 : +16,22%
LVL 2 : +15,79%
LVL 3 : +15,00%
LVL 4 : +14,29%
LVL 5 : +13,64%
From lvl3, the glove (15% dps increase any level) gets more interesting.

(I can upload an excel sheet if you want detailed analysis including critical strikes dps ^^)

wait this is eletistjerks.com or sk gaming forum? nice and interesting thread, iam confused about the lack of trolls

well so was i until i saw ur post

I think that gloves are better in a long battle, because you will end up with your blademaster hitting more times than the enemy's. This means that there is a higher critical strike rate (more hits, bigger chance that at least one will be critical).

man o man... pandoramon surely gets what he asked for lol.

Ontopic:
As I said before I prefer to go gloves as I think its better on the long run, altough as some people have given their arguments where claws are better.
Both items are good. But as I said above, gloves are in my opinion better on the long run with a high level BM ofcourse (logical deduction), but claws are better when it's a short game with much action.

I believe it was Rotterdam who said to me that giving higher damage and higher critical strike when its needed is better against units then having more crits as you dont know how many crits you will get and your crits will be normal but not higher when having claws but the crits will occur more on the long run (dont know for sure but il go with this :P Rotterdam may correct me on this one).

If it's a short game of hit and run game then I would personally go with claws since higher damage output will affect the game vs a lower damage output. Hitting your opponents units and then run away just to keep the pressure on them would make it far better then gloves since u need to try and give as much damage as u can with 1 hit or 2 hits. Thus claws are better in these situations.

So it would depend on the situation whether its a long or short game. But since no one knows whether it'll be a long game then claws should be chosen over gloves at first.

phew a long comment ;p
But people can correct me if I'm wrong on some things but I guess im right on most things if their data is correct ;)

If you only look at the damage it is:
+15% damage has to be 6 points of damage. Gloves are equal to Claws in that case.
That is 40 average damage without items (40+Claws 6=46, 40+Gloves 15%=46)

And since 40 damage in average is quite high (f.ex. 30-50 damage) a low lv blademaster will have a minimal higher boost using claws. But the difference is only 1.5 points of damage per 10 basic damage below those 40!
Means if the bm deals 30 damage averaged he gets +4.5 with gloves. In the case that he has 50 (I think that won't happen that often?) he will deal 1.5 more using gloves.

But for the reason that Grubby mentioned it seems that Gloves are the far better item since the Blademaster has to chase units quite often and the chance to get another hit that kills the unit seems to be higher to me than that the unit gets away having 1-2 hitpoints left.
And the tiny disadvantage for case that the bm can hit a very slow or not moving target fades the more basic damage (=level, tomes, auras, other items) the blademaster deals.

Gloves are also more interesting when you get other attack bonuses (kodos, orb, etc.) : the extra damages will benefit from the attack speed increase.
Already 6 days old topic, I'm just wondering how long we can talk about that !!^^

As I already wrote, the point when gloves are as good as claws for pure damage is 40 averaged.
I'll create a map you can choose all kind of auras/items/levels/tomes and amortypes/values/hitpoints so everyone can try every combination.

http://rapidshare.com/files/101300588/BM-Test.w3x.html

You can choose any level and all damage relevant auras and items including tomes and the targets hp but not the armor class/amount yet.
The time it took to kill the target will be shown in seconds.
It's not perfect but it will work :)

I'm quite surprised that there was like no difference using the same item, damage etc (against 1000hp with lv 1, lv3+tclv3/kodo, lv5+tclv3/kodo and no crit) although the difference between min and max damage is quite high it only happened once out of 12x (6 different setups with 2 tests each) that the results differed more than 0.05sec (2 seconds in that case)
On lv 1 the claws were 10% faster (~28.6 vs 31.65)
Lv3 with tome+2, kodo, tc 2 aura was 20.8 (gloves) vs 20.6 (claws) so it was quite equal
Lv 5 with same buffs = 16.2 with gloves compared to 16.6 with claws

The TC aura seems to improve the claws compared to the gloves with the +attack speed but all in all they are pretty equal so the point about the hit and run grubby mentioned seems to make gloves better since the combat stats have only very small differences (3 seconds on 1000 hitpoints on lv1 with no other improvements!)
I also corrected a bug and added some candy if someone is interested in that test map:

http://rapidshare.com/files/101312401/BM-Test.w3x.html

I just added a feature that might be more interesting than the pure damage. Now its possible to start a chase test against a target with variable hitpoints and speed

http://rapidshare.com/files/101331976/BM-Test.w3x.html

Ok here is the very final version:
http://rapidshare.com/files/101345537/BM-Test.w3x.html
It includes average attack speed and numbers of hit to kill (and I added some more graphical stuff xD)

Overall, it seems that claws are better than gloves when chasing a unit with using absolutely no micro/windwalk/crit.
This is because the time between attacks doesn't sum up to more damage than +6 per hit so it is mainly like Rotterdam said. But I didn't test it with auras or additional items, only boots of speed plus gloves/claws.

hmm im gonna test that later tonight then ;P
So according to your data and to simulate exactly like ingame, then claws would be better with no mana/crits/auras/items.
So is it correct for me to say, a level 1 BM with claws is better then with gloves?

thats what i said 4 times.. :D yes on lvl 1 claws is better, even on level 2 and level 3 ( with ww ), didnt test it furder but i'm sure claws are better first 3 levels, only at 4/5 maybe gloves are better but thats logical, but i said claws was better mainly focussed on first levels, cause 8/10 games get decided with blade being lvl 1 2 or 3 :)

claws is definately better when you're stealing creeps with windwalked blademaster, gloves doesn't matter there, so i guess you could say that even on lev 4 claws CAN be somewhat better depending on your playstyle.

truuuue :D

the reply was for the last post :)

Hey, this thread is still alive !!

better to use dh

haha rotti once said " Wc3 science sux" or sth like that ... this thread suck indeed :D ...

don't know why this thread should suck. or do you prefer threads like "grubby cheating" or "warcraft III: fear of the patch"?

:D eheh i was just joking ;) ;]

anyway what is stronger ? 1st lvl bm with circ or 1st lvl bm with claws?

circlet is better at lvl 1, lvl 2 it comes close already, at 3 claws better