Incoming mass -thumbs, but i agree with you. Having gear make such a difference to the game only hurts it as an esport. The more you even the playing field, the better imo. That means the best players can shine through instead of the ones with the best gear.

At least that's true if you ignore class imbalance -_-;

Thats the same kind of excuse used when they set tier items for badges... all done just so that the more casual people have easier access to gear, when it the past, it all came down to hard work from people. Like for example, want nice pvp gear to start on arenas? go to VoA, or do heroics to gather badges so you can buy pvp gear, gather honor for gear, etc, now having arena points on dailies?That makes as much sense as people being able to have T8.5 gear from heroics badges...

Blizzard having been selling out for some time now, and the proof of that, is the crap they have turned WoW in... they have been worrying so much in making theyr casual public happy, that they are turning WoW in an easy crap game... raid bosses that are downed on first day, after 2 or 3 tries, raid gear bought with heroic badges, arena points on dailys... the list goes on and on...

i don't see how this is bad. imho, they should just make everyone (atleast pvp wise) have the same quality items to make the game, like zechs said, be less about gear imbalance. this is true in most other e-sport games, why not in wow?

@khosmy this isn't about PvE and i couldn't care less about that part of the game. All i hear is that it gets easier and easier, but i'm not remotely interested, sorry. This is a newspost about PvP.

khosmy, my brother stopped playing wow, cos he has no time for playing 24/7 to get a gear, soon ill have a job after school, and ill have no time to play 24/7 to get gear too, so its more for people like me. Its global economic crysis dude, if u want money, do whatever u can to keep your customers !

I have never payed too much atteniton to the wow pro scene.But,what I do know is that it's all about the arena and,correct me if I am wrong,but it seems to me that at pro lvl everyone has pretty much the exact same gear.The best possible gear for their class/spec.There is nothing unavaliable for them,so its up to them what gear they will wear.
This change will affect them in no way whatsover.In other words,this will have no impact on wow as an e-sport.

But this change,however,just stuppifies the game further,and,have no doubt,it will continue to go in this direction until one of the best games ever made has turned into pointless rubish for any moron using 1% of his brain....

cr3at1ve, its the world we live in unfortunately, nothing to do about it.

gwt_ds_carw, exactly what i mean, Blizzard has been turning wow to a point where people have to do no effort whatsoever.

SK|Zechs, you failed to see my point... the point is, Blizzard has been making stuff so easy, that people no longer need to put a minimum effort for most things, and thats what is turning WoW into crap.

He never claimed this change would have an effect on WoW as e-sport, rather it was a very good thing for PvP; which it is ofc. It will make people gear up faster, and eventually make the arena more even..

Jesus christ man...Gearing up for pvp had been essentially easy and relatively fast ever since the honor-based pvp system was introduced just before TBC came out.
WoW was never a game where skill could compensate for the lack of gear,especially in pvp,which made sense before,because you actually had to put in a tramendous effort and a considerable amount of time to get it-thus,you were rewarded.Now,things have changed.Pretty much everything is available to anyone,both in pvp and pve.

Now,for wow to become a true e-sport,ppl should have the access to any gear,so that they are not handicapped before the match even starts.True,but it's easy enough to get it already,further simplification just makes it easier for bad players(due to less time spent on playing or just the lack of talent) to get the gear they don't deserve.That's not just an issue of fairness,and here's why:
Luck plays a huge roll in WoW.1 lucky dodge,parry,miss,crit can change the outcome of the whole game-the importance of skill decreases.Give everyone the same gear-the importance of skill shrinks further...

@Bobkattmat
''Having gear make such a difference to the game only hurts it as an esport.''

Yes he did

tbc had come out*

gwt well ive got furious gear on my priest, well actually i won like 10 games out of 10 just cos my team had good gear. And blizzard wants money too u know, they loose players, that have lack of time. Its global economic crysis, and they want money too. U know its not cheap to host like 200 servers that can keep ~10k players

Money plays a big role,that's an unassailable fact,and I never said you were wrong about that.My goal was to outline the factors that are,in my opinion,ruining the game and explain why I think so.Questioning blizzard's reasons for this kind of changes would be inane...

Okey xino see it this way on 2k+ ofc everyone got good gear atleast on cyclone. But i mean how fun is it to actually win a match because you totally outgear them. I mean i would rather see my self win a match versus people with equal gear. Because then you know it's skill and not only gear if it's a mirror ofcourse since some comps are better vs different comps. But you see my point ;)

Yes, get rid of PvE... and terminate the exact thing that originated WoW. -_-

Read before posting...

Are you dense? It's a follow up to making WoW a better competitive game. The post itself is about arena points in BG's which has to do with WoW as an esport.

Commit suicide you worthless garbage.

And what does it have to do with anything? It's a pvp post, yes, and what would be the point of ending PvE? Non whatsoever? You really trying to say ending PvE would improve WoW as a competitive game? Because if thats what you think, just forget about it, because PvE wont go away from WoW, no matter how much you dislike it, and you simply saying that as an improvement to make the game more competitive, it's laughable since PvE and PvP are different things, and one has no influence over the other, one good example, is patch changes, alot more often the changes are made to help improve the PvP balance/performance than PvE, so you have no point on your statement.

And about the insult... it just shows up how some people just aren't intelligent enough to maintain a decent argument around here...

Removing pve from pvp would have a lot to do with balance and gear gaps. PvP and PvE should be a separate entity. WoW is crap game for competitive play and gear gaps are one of the reasons. PvE gear should not be a requirement to be at a top level of competitive arena and or bg's. They are entirely two different things, you even say so yourself. So remove pve from pvp.

My insult still stands.

And you are still making no sense at all, since when people use pve gear to be at top level pvp? Thats the dumbest thing i ever heard. If you said something about, "remove the pvp gear that drop on pve raids", now thats something totally different. And they are not the same thing in game, people can either do pvp or pve, they are 2 things inside 1 game, that doesn't make them the same thing, you argument has no point at all.

Your insult stands, and you just prove my point even more.

Certain classes in the past and present have had to raid for certain pieces in order to maximize their characters. If you want to simply refuse to believe that then that's your own stupidity.

Isolated cases are not rule, as for that, your point in simply making pve disappear... isn't even realistic.

If you want to simply refuse to believe that then that's your own stupidity... no point in arguing when someone clearly can't think besides personal hate for something, have fun.

No it isn't realistic, it was simply a subjective opinion on the matter without elaborating. You're the one that got defensive wanting to bring it to another leve by replying to me in the first placel. As long as WoW has pve influences, and remains an MMORPG at heart it will never be a good competitive game. Although on the topic of arena points in BG's making it more accessible to get in and compete (the part that matters to pvpers) is a good change.

Clickles,I am just gonna comment on one of your sentences that actually makes some kind of sense.It's a rare case,btw.

''Although on the topic of arena points in BG's making it more accessible to get in and compete (the part that matters to pvpers) is a good change.''

This is a change directed towards the casual players,who therefore,have abosulutely no intention of competing at a pro lvl,and quite possibly,have no idea that such a thing even exists.It will have no effect on wow neither as an e-sport,nore as a competetive game.
The sole purpose of this change is to ensure blizzard doesn't lose subscribers due to huge requirements in terms of time commited to playing.