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Army gaming recruit center sued
An Army recruit center in Philadelphia is being sued for "endangering the welfare of children". Their lure is a gaming center for 13 year olds and above who are allowed to play war-like FPS' all they want while learning about the army.
By Elke 'Binteh' Mahy
May 4, 2009 09:00
An Army recruit center in Philadelphia is being sued for "endangering the welfare of children". Their lure is a gaming center for 13 year olds and above who are allowed to play war-like FPS' all they want while learning about the army.The $12 millions worth gaming center in Franklin Mills Mall in Northeast Philadelphia is being sued after being accused of luring children with video games and thus giving the wrong idea of war.
The Army gaming center is however just a "test". If it remains popular among recruits, more of these will be built. It currently holds 60 Alienware stations where you can play Madden NFL 09, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2, Call of Duty 4 and America's Army: True Soldiers.
"You can't simulate the heat. You can't you know the cries of people who are getting killed. You can't simulate the noise when things are exploding around you,"
said Jesse Hamilton, an Iraq War Veteran who served in the Army. He followed on by saying that any form of recruitement is positive but wants people to join for the right reasons, gaming not being them."To try to deceive these young people to think it's just like it is in the video games is unconscionable, it's obscene,"
said Rev. Bob Moore seen alongside the Coalition for Peace.The Army gaming center is however just a "test". If it remains popular among recruits, more of these will be built. It currently holds 60 Alienware stations where you can play Madden NFL 09, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2, Call of Duty 4 and America's Army: True Soldiers.
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the ppl aswell, i mean srsly, how many kids do join the army cuz they played a "war game". (or atleast want to join in the future), its an recruitment center afterall. on the other hand i may be wrong, but i still wouldn't believe it anyway.
i.e. if i have interests in joining the army - why not go there and check it out - speak with veterans and stuff and have fun with some friends playing on LAN ?
but if i dont care about the army and never would want to join them, why would "war games" make me reconsider this ?
I went on an army training course (sort of work-experience taster) a few years ago which was organised through my high school (I was probably 15 or 16 at the time I assume), and we went on a training simulator using replica SA80's (the British army's standard weapon) to fire at enemies on a screen. We had to prone on the floor, look through the sight and fire at enemies on a screen and reload like you would for real. At the end of the exercise it showed each soldiers accuracy and kills etc.
I can understand their worries but it is a case of promoting proper education and avoiding inappropriate behaviour. The game America's Army (developed for the army) was inappropriate in my opinion. But this is not.
So for you is ok to make the war look like a game. just go in there kill a few people, doesn't matter, it's just like in a game.
The Army Experience, what does this tell you, it tells you: How the army is, and the army/war is not a game, real people die, and they die for nothing, because some stupid power hungry imbeciles get to say what you should do.
US is well-known for their brain-washing programs, you play a war game while they preach in your head that you should join the army to server your country(first of all, you should serve the planet not the country, because you are an inhabitant of this planet), it doesn't matter if you pay attention to what they are saying, it goes into your subconscious. At least there are still people who protest against such idiocracy.
If you think this is not inappropriate well then, i'm really sorry for you.
I said, however, that America's Army (True Soldiers) is completely inappropriate. It was clearly made to stimulate recruitment levels. But it is not the army which is the issue, and as far as I am aware the game plays like any other FPS except the army monitor who plays and who has a tendency to do well (notice my initial comment why the army is interested in gamers). The army existed before computer technology, and my real-life example was to suggest that there is still a significant difference between the armies virtual training techniques and cultural constructions like Call of Duty 4. Games sell themselves on interpretations of conceptual realism which glorify war but anyone with any self-respect and intelligence will know there is a difference. I do not read War and Peace and decide I want to kill the French for a living nor do I play Call of Duty and decide a trip to Iraq is on the agenda.
And no, i don't think you should ask kids to join the army by leuring them with games. it's like a pedophile is leuring a kid with candy. It ain't right under no circumstances.
i cannot see for the life of me how by offering kids to play games for free you ask them to join the army is a proper education, you get hyped from a game, the guy who is preaching makes it sound like it's the best thing in the world and you fall for it. you can read: You can play games freely while they preach to you about the army, and the games of choice are fps. Why not chess ? well cause chess isn't about war, and doesn't make the war look "cool".
The people that play these games are not children because the games have age ratings which mean children cannot play, and I assume the army is intelligent enough not to allow minors to play the likes of Call of Duty 4 unlike most LAN centres thus avoiding moral outrage and any legal implications. The people playing FPS games in this centre are old enough to join the army and make they own decisions, and you are not in a position to judge them. The list clearly states that Madden NFL 09 is one of the games played at the centre so your criticism is wholly unjustified, and to state that chess is not about war just shows how dumb you are. The game pieces are pawn (infantry), knight (cavalry), bishop (elephants), and rook (chariotry) [modern variation versus Ancient in brackets].
You make assumptions about what the centre does without any proof what so ever. I already explained what the army does with its game American Army, and I assume in order to play at this centre you have to be added to their database which means you may receive information through the post. Yes they want you to join but how is this any different than having recruitment stands at career events and during freshers week at every college and university in the country? Your comparison to paedophilia, while theoretically legitimate, is completely inappropriate given the context and the numerous examples I have given which you choose to ignore over and over again.
You use the same logic as Christians who say that giving 'children' information about sex and sexual health encourages them to have sex - it is utter nonsense. Your anti-American tirade reeks of ignorance and questionable morals and I am not going to waste my time arguing with you any more.
And good to know, that even in the US, there is people going against dubious recruiting methods like these.