WC3 has never been big in America, that's a weak excuse (reason). In Europe it's not as strong as it once was, but it's still up there and is, in my humble opinion, a much better spectator sport than DotA will ever be.

With DotA you can atleast generate the same amount of spectators and at the same time you have alot more attendees and a real global competition. I don't see any reason which speaks agains DotA or any reason to blame KODE5 why WC3 has been dropped.

Really? DotA attracts the same spectators as WC3? I find that very difficult to believe, but i'll admit that i could well be wrong. Another sign of the world dumbing down.

Oh, just to make clear, i don't have any problem with DotA itself - my problem is only with the exclusion of WC3 at its expense

Really? You seem to have a huge problem with it. Mr. "Another sign of the world dumbing down." And yes DotA has a vast amount of spectators. For example: http://www.mymym.com/en/replaycenter.php?filter=1&ms=1

DotA replay downloads can reach upto 9000 on MYM while most WC3 replays get a smaller amount of downloads. Also on Garena, typically the views on DotA streams are much higher than WC3. (There's a DotA stream on Garena sitting with 17,711 views right now.) There are also 3 recent SK WC3 streams at around 1000 views...huge difference. Though I know there are a few other places for WC3 streams.

Anyway you can also go look on MYM, their coverage sections for their DotA tournaments Prime Defending and Prime Defending League, both of which get hundreds of thousands of views.

I respect and enjoy WC3 as an esport btw. This whole comparing DotA and WC3 thing is getting old, and like Thomas said you cant blame DotA for WC3's removal from KODE5.

Ok, i'll rephrase that slightly. I don't like DotA, but i don't blame it for KODE5 removing WC3. I never said or implied that it was the game's fault - how could it be? I'm not trying to start a 'my game is better than your game' flame war, i just don't agree with KODE5's decision.

haha i have downloaded some dota replay but I've never been brave enough to watch any of them.

Btw Dota is nice in GARENA, Dotapickup.euro, whatever you want...
But I can't consider this as a LAN game...
It good, but online.

Btw I think it's sc2 announce effect, organizers think it will kill wc3 and they want to change already...

What can I say Rinoa :D ? WC3 has reached that point where it can't grow anymore. It's hit that wall you can't go through, pass or climb over while dota and WoW just continue moving forward. ;) Let's just say some are just having a hard time accepting that. We've had our good and treasure moments during WC3 scene strongest moments. Now it's where we have to step a side an make way for "new" and fresh games.

:D, although dota is coming close to par with WC3, it's still pretty far away from Counterstrike. So good luck that. WoW just owns everything with it's 12Milion users.

That's nice to know, because it just so happen that most of WC3 players also don't need money to enjoy the game. They attend to events despite the low cash or not having much chance of winning. Then again there are always some players who do think about the money before the game. :D You have that with every game, only thing is in team games it's difficult to know that.

Actually, most ppl probably meant CS and not WC3 when it comes to DH Arena specs.. And you wouldn't rly say there are bad CS players at DH I hope?

I were at dreamhack and that's true. I went watching a game between SK and MYM and it was twice or even more people watching the dota game compared to the cs game right before

People watch dota because they love the teamwork and pace of this game~

2-4 big battles are not true, try to play / watch replay, it would be more then this amount...

omg gg posting to 1 month old news.. dota sucks