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When West meets East
Why Asian eSports is being made the scapegoat for Western pessimism and a lack of intellectual confidence.
By Richard '_evan' Armstrong
Apr 29, 2008 08:08
Why Asian eSports is being made the scapegoat for Western pessimism and a lack of intellectual confidence.One of the most terrifying prospects the (eSports) world faces is the adoption of Asian principles to govern how and which competitive games we play, in particular, sinification. The thought of a clammy communist hand coming down hard on my shoulder, the shift of disproving slanted eyes, “What do you mean I can't call the [Asian equivalent of Angel Munoz] a whore? It's only a metaphor...” fills me with a sadistic sense of excitement matched only by the seriousness of reality.
Now this is purely self indulgent you understand. I can't stand real time strategy and I don't feel the Asian eSports model provides a place for me, but there's something exciting about the fact that the (Chinese) National Press and Publications Administration even exists. My liberal democratic sensibilities tingle at the prospect of sticking it to 'the man'. So I'm going to disagree with Jonas Alsaker 'BSL' Vikan and say I don't believe there's a global gaming community, nor a global agenda and you know what? I'm glad.
The fact that two sets of people with huge geographical distances between them play the same game is irrelevant in all honesty. Gaming doesn't transcend political, geographical or social boundaries, it never has and never will. This opinion goes against 'traditional' eSports journalism, Michal 'Carmac' Blicharz will no doubt be googling pictures of Electronic Sports League's Intel Friday Night Games and drawing comparisons between the Germans and the South Koreans by now. This is a half measure and doesn't reflect anything worth arguing for.
Each 'tribe' promotes its own agenda, whether it be American nostalgia and idiocy through Gotfrag, “I believe Americans are as good if not better than the rest of the world at Counter-Strike. Both versions.” [2], European protectionism over 'our' leagues and organisations, or the 'pillaging Mongols' stealing the WC3L LAN finals, the World Cyber Games and European money.
Anyone shrewd enough will notice the irony here, it was fine for European Counter Strike 1.6 teams to go and pillage North American tournaments, but as soon as European organisations like fnatic, mTw and SK Gaming start removing established players in favour of South Koreans (in Warcraft III), then we're suddenly crying “merc, merc, merc”. The ESL decides that it might be worth moving the WC3L LAN finals to Asia, uproar commences. The World Cyber Games decides Chengdu, (China) will be the venue of the 2009 event, uproar commences.
The over riding fact that 95% of WC3L LAN final players will be Asian, just highlights how poor the European scene has become. Let me remind you that less than two seasons ago an all European team lost the WC3L title in the last match up. We were capable, but now we're not. Please explain why the best team based league in the world deserves to stay in Europe if the majority of players aren't European? It's just good common sense from the organisers to bend to the teams' finical wishes.
The 'WCG debate' highlights the kind of intellectual confidence which we Westerners sorely lack at the moment. The WCG was and always has been an Asian event, it has Asian sponsors and the majority of its history has been in Asia. Yet we somehow think we're being robbed of our heritage and fall into the same routine arguments, which by and large have little if anything to do with eSports or the event itself.
At the same time the Chinese themselves have to help dismiss rumours. Your government has purposively perpetuated false Western stereotypes, you feel obligated to protect Chinese nationalistic pride by defending 'your country' from uneducated idiots who're just being intellectually lazy in most cases.
Why don't Asian event organisers hire Western eSports journalists to attend events, to explore China and give an honest image of what Asian culture is like? George Bernard Shaw style. It may not be right, but it's a compromise which shows that Asians are willing to work at the social issues which currently divide us, both in gaming and generally.
What I'm not willing to accept is arguments from perceived 'authority', given by the likes of Nick 'Tasteless' Plott, “I think the rest of the world will have to start mimicking the Korean scene for eSports to keep proliferating.” [4], simply because his motives don't match my own.
I believe each tribe has its own interests and own objectives, there will be an eSports model which suits each market, but given the current choice I'd gladly overlook the fact that China (and I) have some severe conflicts of interest, purely because they're hosting tournaments and investing heavily. We both advance eSports in ways we feel best suit our audience and I'm sure we both share an equal number of supporters and objectors, or is that wishful thinking?
[1] - Jonas Alsaker 'BSL' Vikan, BSL on the CPL's Legacy, Gotfrag, 19/04/08
[2] - Marc 'Singlecoil' Turner comment (#48) on Chris "radioactive" Kennedy's p0s Interviewed, Gotfrag, 24/04/08
[3] – Anthony Weston, A Rulebook for arguments, Deductive arguments, Page 45
[4] - Daniel 'Beemit' Jensen, Interview with Tasteless, Readmore, 16/04/2008
"The groundbreaking positive characteristics of gaming as electronic sports is a multilateral, world-wide community of fans – from the sweaty LAN houses in Santiago, Chile to the smoky cyberclubs of Irkutsk, Siberia. [1]"
Now this is purely self indulgent you understand. I can't stand real time strategy and I don't feel the Asian eSports model provides a place for me, but there's something exciting about the fact that the (Chinese) National Press and Publications Administration even exists. My liberal democratic sensibilities tingle at the prospect of sticking it to 'the man'. So I'm going to disagree with Jonas Alsaker 'BSL' Vikan and say I don't believe there's a global gaming community, nor a global agenda and you know what? I'm glad.
The fact that two sets of people with huge geographical distances between them play the same game is irrelevant in all honesty. Gaming doesn't transcend political, geographical or social boundaries, it never has and never will. This opinion goes against 'traditional' eSports journalism, Michal 'Carmac' Blicharz will no doubt be googling pictures of Electronic Sports League's Intel Friday Night Games and drawing comparisons between the Germans and the South Koreans by now. This is a half measure and doesn't reflect anything worth arguing for.
Each 'tribe' promotes its own agenda, whether it be American nostalgia and idiocy through Gotfrag, “I believe Americans are as good if not better than the rest of the world at Counter-Strike. Both versions.” [2], European protectionism over 'our' leagues and organisations, or the 'pillaging Mongols' stealing the WC3L LAN finals, the World Cyber Games and European money.
Anyone shrewd enough will notice the irony here, it was fine for European Counter Strike 1.6 teams to go and pillage North American tournaments, but as soon as European organisations like fnatic, mTw and SK Gaming start removing established players in favour of South Koreans (in Warcraft III), then we're suddenly crying “merc, merc, merc”. The ESL decides that it might be worth moving the WC3L LAN finals to Asia, uproar commences. The World Cyber Games decides Chengdu, (China) will be the venue of the 2009 event, uproar commences.
The over riding fact that 95% of WC3L LAN final players will be Asian, just highlights how poor the European scene has become. Let me remind you that less than two seasons ago an all European team lost the WC3L title in the last match up. We were capable, but now we're not. Please explain why the best team based league in the world deserves to stay in Europe if the majority of players aren't European? It's just good common sense from the organisers to bend to the teams' finical wishes.
"If you study other cultures, then you realise the variety of human customs. If you realise the variety of human customs, then you question your own customs. Therefore, if you study other cultures, then you question your own customs. [3]"
The 'WCG debate' highlights the kind of intellectual confidence which we Westerners sorely lack at the moment. The WCG was and always has been an Asian event, it has Asian sponsors and the majority of its history has been in Asia. Yet we somehow think we're being robbed of our heritage and fall into the same routine arguments, which by and large have little if anything to do with eSports or the event itself.
At the same time the Chinese themselves have to help dismiss rumours. Your government has purposively perpetuated false Western stereotypes, you feel obligated to protect Chinese nationalistic pride by defending 'your country' from uneducated idiots who're just being intellectually lazy in most cases.
Why don't Asian event organisers hire Western eSports journalists to attend events, to explore China and give an honest image of what Asian culture is like? George Bernard Shaw style. It may not be right, but it's a compromise which shows that Asians are willing to work at the social issues which currently divide us, both in gaming and generally.
What I'm not willing to accept is arguments from perceived 'authority', given by the likes of Nick 'Tasteless' Plott, “I think the rest of the world will have to start mimicking the Korean scene for eSports to keep proliferating.” [4], simply because his motives don't match my own.
I believe each tribe has its own interests and own objectives, there will be an eSports model which suits each market, but given the current choice I'd gladly overlook the fact that China (and I) have some severe conflicts of interest, purely because they're hosting tournaments and investing heavily. We both advance eSports in ways we feel best suit our audience and I'm sure we both share an equal number of supporters and objectors, or is that wishful thinking?
[1] - Jonas Alsaker 'BSL' Vikan, BSL on the CPL's Legacy, Gotfrag, 19/04/08
[2] - Marc 'Singlecoil' Turner comment (#48) on Chris "radioactive" Kennedy's p0s Interviewed, Gotfrag, 24/04/08
[3] – Anthony Weston, A Rulebook for arguments, Deductive arguments, Page 45
[4] - Daniel 'Beemit' Jensen, Interview with Tasteless, Readmore, 16/04/2008
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http://www.mymym.com/en/article/712.html
I hope Wind and Crow enjoy their time in China and use it wisely! I know I would :(
Good read anyway, realy intresting
"I believe each tribe has its own interests and own objectives" Please, indulge me. I would like tolearn more. What are our interest and objective if any?
"We both advance eSports in ways we feel best suit our audience and..." Who are "we" ? As an european am i one of these we's? What is it that i feel?
I think, europe / northamerica are not investing as much in esports as china is, and this is the all-deciding factor in the difference of esport culture. Any other speculations are just that, speculations. I need to help my roomie with something.. so thats all i have to say for now :)
ta ta
I believe Europeans are pushing forward a stable multi-genre/multi-game platform which can appeal to any competitive player. There's a slight favouritism of FPS titles, and most gamers have a mutual respect for a certain group of games.
CS 1.6, WC3, Q3 (then you can take into account FIFA, DotA and CoD4)
We've for almost all games, the most skilled players and the biggest gaming organisations. This is why I don't fear the European market receding quite as badly as the North American one has. Even when pushed skill wise, European organisations profit from having the best Asian WC3 players.
I think the Asian market is too shallow, and I don't think it's any more professional than were we're right now. I could give ESL a huge budget and they could quite happily push Counter Strike 1.6 to the same level as Starcraft and have it on TV 24 hours a day. South Korea doesn't have any of the cultural stigma that the west has, and they've chosen to focus primarily on one game, no wonder it's at such a level.
We can mean anything I guess. We as me personally, we as a fellow European, we as a fellow FPS gamer, or we as a fellow eSports journalist. All have separate connotations and if you know me, you'll probably know which one I was trying to imply! :P
The big difference between US-EU-ASIA is how gaming is looked upon. If CounterStrike weren't banned from the biggest market in Europe, or if video gaming were a viable way of making a living, then we could draw parallels.
I think that's one aspect, but not the most important. There's a huge legitimacy issue with gaming and the entire industry behind it. Money should be invested at every level so things and people are held accountable for mistakes. Their get paid to do a good job, so if they don't then they get replaced, simple as.
I think we're too scared of harming growth by demanding money for things, but we'll eventually learn if your industry is run purely from advertisement, you're going to run into trouble when you want to promote competition.
As for WC3L, you're unforunately right. I think you underestimate the European standard somewhat, but the fact remains that the vast majority of WC3L finalists will be Asian. I think you and I find this a little easier to deal with because in England we are used to our sports being led by foreigners. The premier league is a true example of doing whatever it takes to win, and if it means selling the soul of our national game so be it. In esports we have grown up with this as the default and so there is very little outcry over foreign players. After all, Britain's only good WC3 team featured one British player in the past three years and he barely played.
I also fully agree with what you said about MYM and journalists funding. Clearly i have some selfish reasons for wanting to see esports writers get more funding but the fact still remains that the standard would rise greatly if there were more of an incentive. Unforunately, i wouldn't be as willing as you to say MYM funded those guys with no evidence. If i'm wrong, then, hmm...
I think we need to go the other way around with the quality. Before the standard is rising, why would organizations like SK or MYM go into heavier funding of esport journalism? It's a matter of cost/benefit here, how much do we gain from sending two guys to China? It seems though as the market has evolved a lot in 08 and I don't think it is going to stop soon.
I'd love to make a living out of esports, but if there's no money in it for me when i finish my journalism degree i won't hang around working for free if there isn't. I envy your guys going to China, but they are still in the minority of esports writers in that respect. I also think there are much more qualified (both literally and figuratively) writers but that's probably luck of the draw, and me being bitter.
Now I actually agree with your trust and devotion to your own staff, but I can clearly see why some people might criticise your approach. You could group Cassandra (not so much since she does write as well - but at the same time I don't read her column because I'll learn something, there's certainly a novelty factor in there somewhere) and Sofie into this new approach, all style, no substance. Everyone is investing into video, but I guarantee you're probably neglecting some of the basics.
For example, is Davor 'Dendra' Miljkovic contracted and paid a wage? He's by far (can't stress that enough seriously) your best writer, and you should really get him writing more general eSports columns since there are VERY few writers capable of writing about any game or subject.
With the exception of Carmac's recruitment, SK hasn't invested into furthering eSports journalism, unless I've clearly missed something. Meet Your Makers is worlds apart in this regard, and no I don't feel as if I've embellish the truth, I don't feel we do anything particularly well at the moment, and for some people such as myself and zechs, it has a lot to do with principles. If SK started paying wages to everyone then we would've the best eSports website, simple as. I guarantee that if someone like zechs was given the right motives and guidance, he could create content which far surpasses anything we've seen before.
Read my comment below, I'm thinking pretty much exactly the same thing you're by the looks of it... :(
I agree with what you say, though. I'm sure others are in the same boat, and i wouldn't put the whole blame on esports infastructure - the fact is i'm incredibly disorganised and lazy. I know i can write good stuff, and so can others, but yes, motivating factors would certainly help everyone. It's a rather viscious circle though. Nobody wants to pay unqualified, untested writers, but if the writers are too lazy to prove themselves (i speak for myself here) they will never be qualified and tested. Chicken or egg?
I think some organisations value their staff more than others (fnatic accepted a staff proposal and have given wages to new staff members and improved old wages for existing staff members) and there's obviously some bitterness when you do make comparisons.
Gotfrag (though I don't personally know the figures) pays some staff members really well, but I could name writers who earn nothing despite being more capable and talented. I find that quite disheartening, and if I were in charge it would substance over style, talent over name, every single time.
I hope we as writers, get more incentives to write about esports one day. Remember, without any of the thousands of writers, how on earth would we know what's going on? We don't have TV news to make up for a lack of written work!
I think you tend to have too high thoughts about the "journalists" Zechs. The reason why we have Wind in China, and not Dendra or vhallee - who are probably more complete in terms of edge and substance in their writings - is that Wind can do a multitude of things. Marcus is contributing to our content with not only editorials, he is also managing a crew and an entire section, thus taking a lot of work of my shoulders. And while I like Jonas' pieces a lot, I think that Wind adds more value to myMYM than Jonas could possibly do.
With that said, I do fancy "real journalism". But my company has a budget and a projected earning. If those things are neglected, then I'm out of work and back to square again. So while I would like to see the likes of BSL, Carmac or Slasher working under me (I am ambitious, admitted :D), I also have to face reality. I can't invest more money than I earn. I have been in the same position as the two of you, and I can guarantee you that I was having the same stand back then.
I can understand your viewpoints as lazy and disorganized writers, but I don't think you would say otherwise if you were in my shoes ;-)
We are investing money because we want to have a solid base to build on in the future, and as we don't the MLG-millions backing us, we can't pay our editors in 4 figures like GF, but seeing how the dollar has fluctated I'd say that we are closing up the gap faster and faster atm :D
That's kinda redundant since I implied that you should try and get Dendra to expand, until he has, you can't really draw comparisons. You didn't answer my initial question anyway, "For example, is Davor 'Dendra' Miljkovic contracted and paid a wage?"!
As for the rest, I just see you perpetuating bad idea's; name means nothing when it comes to ability or quality (in eSports - this is why I consider certain people highly and some not so highly, generally because I know they're studying traditional journalism or English degree's for example). Paying BSL a four figure salary to write once or twice a month seems like the biggest waste of money I've ever heard of.
As an editor I'd rather advertise positions, train a selection of lower paid guys and have more content and selection as a consequence. But then again this only highlights another problem, the actual editors have next to no experience or training in actual editing...
would comment, but got exams ;(
If I may speculate, after reading it I come to the conclusion that this is what you are saying;
"eSports is not a global endevor, people shouldn't waste their time playing games and traveling around the globe because there are markets in different parts of the world that are different from theirs and it would be bad if they came. As well, I think each area in the world (Asia/Europe/America) should have its own monopoly on the scene. Asia will own RTS, America FPS, and Europe ?? "
I honestly couldn't take much out of what you wrote other then that, and will suggest (If I am right with my guess) that you step back from eSports and take a good long look at where it has been, where it is, and where it can and is going.
America has amazing football (American football) teams and there are a ton of financial backers for it. However in Asia there aren't. Same with Soccer, it is huge in Europe, South America and Africa but here in NA and Asia it isn't.
That isn't a problem, its just the diversity of the societies. If you want a giant blended society thent hats your perogative, but I like that people are different from me and the people around me. If they weren't I would be worried.
The only place where football (yes I'm going to ignore the fact you call it soccer) isn't_THE_major sport is in North America. It's huge in Asia as well, and despite this I did say "The fact that two sets of people with huge geographical distances between them play the same game is irrelevant in all honesty", because the reasons for people in certain locations for playing games is completely different (as you say).
I won't ever take an American initiatives seriously, whereas at the other end of the spectrum, South Korea and the Asian community go too far. This is great if you're a RTS fan, but for people like me it's terrible.
I hope you get paid _evan! Although the picture sucked :/
You can't compare the two( and yet you JUST DID). A european team attending an (international?) event based in the USA is completely different from several players changing team every single season in the wc3l. The reason people cry "merc, merc, merc" is due to the constant clanhopping of a certain group of people. The fact that they are Korean, Chinese, Greek or Martian is completely irrelevant.
I do not have a problem with any of the two situations however, I find this comparison completely ilogical.
note: I did not read the entire article when i wrote this i will continue reading it afterwards