i can't really understand why ppl relate manual duckjumping to cheating (aimbot, wallhack), 16-biting, bug-abusing or even to duckjump via bind on mwheel. that's bs imo. there are a few main differences that make manual duckjumping a completely different story:

1. cheats are not a part of the game, you have to download/activate external programs. duckjumping doesn't need anything external (if you are about to scream: "BUG-ABUSING DOESN'T NEED EXTERNAL PROGRAMS, TOO!1!!1" you are right with that, but there are other arguments against allowing bug-abusing that DON'T apply to duckjumping - see down below)

2. additionally to 1. an aimbot let's the computer do the job you are supposed to do. duckjumping has to be performed (and mastered) by yourself (if you are about to scream: "BUG-ABUSING HAS TO BE MASTERD BY YOURSELF, TOO!1!!1" you are right with that, but there are other arguments against allowing bug-abusing that DON'T apply to duckjumping - see down below)

3. additionally to 1. a wallhack brings a totally new ability into the game, seeing through walls, obviously. duckjumping is just a middle between the too already present abilities of running and walking. you make less sound than while running, but you're not quite as fast. and you're faster than while walking, but you still make some noise.

- 16-biting makes smokegrenades pretty much random and useless. duckjumping doesn't make anything useless, ppl still run (since it's still the fastest way to move) and still walk (since it's still the most silent way to move).

- duckjump via bind on mwheel makes you move almost as fast while running without making any noise at all, thus the ability of walking get's useless. manual duckjumping doesn't make anything useless, as explained above.

- bug-abusing (flash-bugs for example) change aspects of the game in a drastical way (flashing ppl that weren't anywhere near the flash for example). duckjumping is not such a drastical change in the way of moving, since you are slower than while running and still make some noise. you can't run unheard around the map or something of the like.

and to those how argue duckjumping would mess up the hitboxes: they just change really fast between the state of standing up and crouching, i would guess. so ppl who duckjump can still be killed like everbody else. and i'm pretty sure running around duckjumping in a firefight will give the guy duckjumping the worse chances of getting the kill.

all in all i just can't agree with ppl saying duckjumping destroys the game. it's not like everybody is getting killed out of nowhere since ppl duckjump. it's not like you can run around on a map in some kind of god mode and suprisingly hop around corners and headshot everybody. it's not like it was impossible to hit someone who duckjumps into your field of view with the awp. in other words: there's nothing to complain about, and no need to forbid duckjumping, imo.

sorry for the long text, i just finally had to post my opinion on that matter, even if most of you probably don't really care about it ;P

YAY LETS SPAM CTRL THEN YOU'RE CPL! GG.

I hope people realise not only does it well and truly fuck up the sound, but also the hitboxes. Silent-running is cheating, get over it.

you obviously didn't read what i said. otherwise you'd realize that duckjumping is anything but cheating. there's no problem with the sound being "fucked up", it just results in less noise - while still being hearable. and the hitboxes aren't "fucked up" at all - they just change fastly between the sate of standing and crouching (as stated above). anybody who duckjumps is still perfectly killable.

open your eyes, cheats ruin the game, manual duckjumping doesn't.

maverick this is not gather-network with the most stupid rulls ever made so pls shut the fuck up!Have a nice day

Crouch-ducking has become such a part of the game now, that well adapted players do it without even thinking about doing it.

For you lightheaded people out there, to make an comparison;
If you see an enemy on your screen that is shooting you face to face, do you think about shooting back? Or do you blast bullets hoping some will hit him? Im hoping the last alternative was the answer for most of you at least =)

That's the same thing with crouch-ducking, you just do it cause you just do.
It's an ability, not a bug. It can be to your disadvantage if you use it wrong...and to your advantage. Not a bug, not even close.

Now to the whole "defending" and "attacking CB for their rules and crap, haha i believe it's to their own bad that they have this rule...and stand behind and say "it's a rule obey it".
My iMo is, im with the finnish on this one...all you haters suck my hairy ass, and CB change the rule before you guys will get as unpopular as Britney Spears after she shaved her head and went on a cocain run.

/Tjan

hey guys... when not existence (we don`t know about) "silentrun" & "begrip" all players was contented... when a few players used it, started only problems... why we can`t play this game "normal old style" ? :( it is idiotcally... :/

CB is gone...that's all!

Guys you forget about something very important. If you play on a LAN tournament where silent run is not forbiden, but without mwheel bind, it`s easy to say "let me see you controls" if it`s ok you can use silent run with "ctrl" "shift" "space" or whatever you want. BUT if you play in an online league you can`t prove that you don`t have mwheel +duck bind. The one and only league that can run online tournaments with this rule included is ESL, because of the Aequitas. So i understand why ClanBase stick to their "non silent run rules", they simply can`t detect players controls used. And i`m ok with that since i`ve clicked the box "I Agree with the terms and conditions". Get over it.

HaHaHa , CB OWN3D

Clanbase sucked, sucks and will always suck.

I wonder why ppl whines about silentrun? Do you whine about if some1 throws a bug granade to nukes' ramp box? You can only hear enemys noise if it hits. It's a bug too suchs as silentrun is.

The fact that these awesome lan tournaments allow people to doubleduck does not ameliorate its 'exploit' eminence. If they were to allow the thing, it might create a window for certain teams to use it ALL the time, which in its turn is more of a negative reflection on, say, myself as a viewer.

Well, you might say, hey, what about strafe jumping then? It is an exploit as well, but firstly - not as easy to do, secondly, and more importantly - not as beneficial. So should we just take it on faith that you, dear participants, will not be using it all the bloody time?

WCG was two steps from being a complete disaster NOT because they have chosen to forbid it, but because they were sitting on the fence and failed to unify and define the concept for every single match.

CB is on the right track, too bad nobody is interested anymore.

see my (long) comment above on that so-called 'exploit' eminence, respectively, on why duckjumping doesn't harm the game imo and thus doesn't need to be forbidden.

it's all about begrip.xek :D

Your (long) post was not too compelling.

And natu, if 'the average joe loses' and nobody gives a damn, maybe we should just refrain from holding these international tournaments?

Well, not 'we', it's an expression.

what an awkward try of making things easy for you. if something is not too compelling it's your (extremely short) answer.

couldn't have said it better myself ^^

haha :D:D

np: fintelligens heruuks?

That Fking sucks! SIlent run should be allowed.Why dont they just ban playeers who bhop or walk! LOL!!

crouch bug foreveR !!! JANI IS THE BIGGEST CROUCHER IN BULGARIA DONT TRUST HIM IF HE TELLS YOU THAT HE IS NOT CROUCHING !!!!

CB sucks nowadays and its going worse all the time. Silentrun belongs to the game so it should be allowed.

stupid admins, stupid people

I have always been annoyed by people who will use any excuse or imagined reasons to explain how their exploiting a bug in a game or map is not cheating. The excuse "everyone does it" is so pathetic and outdated is amazing any idiot uses it in this day an age.

Let me define for you what cheating is.

Any use of exploits, unblocked cvars, commands, map bugs or gameplay inconsistancy to increase your "skill" over the next player....is cheating. Over the years there have been many exploits or bugs in cs. Silent plant, strafe jumping, ducking in water to be immune to damage, flash bug..etc. As far as I know they either are not allowed or removed from the game when found. Cheating is cheating, whether 100,000 of you agree it should be allowed or not...its still techinically cheating.

Cheating is not just a defined set of rules, but it also includes intent. Your intent of silent run is to make it harder for bullets to register on proper hitboxes and make certain moves faster, yet silent. If it was not intended as part of the movement and gameplay, it is cheating. Both in reality and by intent.

If you want to talk about skill. Skill is if all things are EQUAL, one person is better than another. Skill is not something you alias or script, and using said scripts when another does not means using an unfair advantage over another. If you don't think it is an advantage over another player, than why use it in the first place.

So please, STFU and stop bawling about a league with enough class to not bow down and kiss a bunch of kids asses about a rule in their league. You don't like it, well go play for CAL or another league that lets players dictate how the game is played and what rules are to be followed. Really almost all multiplayer gaming has become who can find any command or alias or exploit to give them an advantage, instead of straight up skill vs skill.

Nothing but a bunch of whiny little kids (some adults who are only that by age) who wouldn't know sportsmanship, fair play, ethics or honor is someone stamped on their computer monitor. When I do something, I want it my skill. Not my scripting ability.

Btw, buyscripts are aliased into the game and INTENDED by the Valve...therefore has never been or will be considered cheating.

Too bad its not like the old days, when you could shoot a dirty little cheater down without any legal problems. They were caught cheating and that was enough. How many of you little script kiddies would be dead if that were true lol

remember skill an ability, not something you scripted. When so called professionals are trying to rationalize that exploiting is not a cheat, there is a serious problem.

GG CB and any other league that doesn't put up with that crap.

Stupid Admins .