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Silentrun troubles at NationsCup XI - Finland removed
With silent run being forbidden in ClanBase, Finland received the second red card and is being removed from Nations Cup. Other teams also received forfeit losses due to using silent run.
By Dominic 'immo' Koller
Feb 13, 2008 16:30
With silent run being forbidden in ClanBase, Finland received the second red card and is being removed from Nations Cup. Other teams also received forfeit losses due to using silent run.
The first team is being removed in the running competition of the ClanBase NationsCup XI due to using silent run (also known as duck-movement, begrip-movement, russian ducks). Finland received their second red card for using the silent run in their match against Slovakia earlier this week and already received one for their match against Norway.
This is not the first time teams received a red card, together with Finland theres more red cards given out. The first one was for Estonia due to "m``" silent running multiple times which means the Czech Republic gets a forfeit win. Also Germany loses to Russia because of mooN using silent run in the 4th round of the 2nd half. So there is multiple teams with red cards which are Romania, Switzerland, Estonia, Sweden, Greece, Germany and the UK. These teams are not allowed to "accidentally" use the silent run otherwise they're being removed from this competition.
Statement from lurppis
"The way I see it is ClanBase is shooting itself in the foot, WCG already tried to ban silent-running and the results were catastrophic -> the rule was removed, they know it's going to cause a lot of problems and still try to enforce. Although I would say 99% of the players want to allow it as, lets face it, it's part of the game nowadays and it's allowed at EVERY other tournament," says Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen, Team Finland's captain.
"The worst part about this is all the players are playing CB NC 100% for FUN as they do NOT provide any prizes or LAN finals to play for, so not only are we spending our own time for nothing just so CB could get publicity and spectators something to watch. They still try to act like the world police who can fix anything... At least the cup won't be missed."
"Thankfully ESL listens to players and even has prizes & LAN finals for their nations cup so we're all really looking forward to participating in that!"
"We've tried talking to the captains few times before, telling how strict we intend to be"
This means Finland now has a total of two red cards and is being removed as well as all of their matches are canceled. According to the ClanBase, the admins tried to talk to the team captain but Finland kept using silent run. The ClanBase is one of the few competitions that does not allow using silent run. Even though most of the players are used to it now there is no global rule defining what silent run is and if it should be forbidden or not. ClanBase however says silent run is using multiple ducks to move without making steps but it is allowed to double-duck around corners."One duckjump is allowed, two or more without sound (step) between is considered silent run"
This is not the first time teams received a red card, together with Finland theres more red cards given out. The first one was for Estonia due to "m``" silent running multiple times which means the Czech Republic gets a forfeit win. Also Germany loses to Russia because of mooN using silent run in the 4th round of the 2nd half. So there is multiple teams with red cards which are Romania, Switzerland, Estonia, Sweden, Greece, Germany and the UK. These teams are not allowed to "accidentally" use the silent run otherwise they're being removed from this competition.
Statement from lurppis
"The way I see it is ClanBase is shooting itself in the foot, WCG already tried to ban silent-running and the results were catastrophic -> the rule was removed, they know it's going to cause a lot of problems and still try to enforce. Although I would say 99% of the players want to allow it as, lets face it, it's part of the game nowadays and it's allowed at EVERY other tournament," says Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen, Team Finland's captain.
"Thankfully ESL listens to players and even has prizes & LAN finals for their nations cup."
"The worst part about this is all the players are playing CB NC 100% for FUN as they do NOT provide any prizes or LAN finals to play for, so not only are we spending our own time for nothing just so CB could get publicity and spectators something to watch. They still try to act like the world police who can fix anything... At least the cup won't be missed."
"Thankfully ESL listens to players and even has prizes & LAN finals for their nations cup so we're all really looking forward to participating in that!"
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Let me define for you what cheating is.
Any use of exploits, unblocked cvars, commands, map bugs or gameplay inconsistancy to increase your "skill" over the next player....is cheating. Over the years there have been many exploits or bugs in cs. Silent plant, strafe jumping, ducking in water to be immune to damage, flash bug..etc. As far as I know they either are not allowed or removed from the game when found. Cheating is cheating, whether 100,000 of you agree it should be allowed or not...its still techinically cheating.
Cheating is not just a defined set of rules, but it also includes intent. Your intent of silent run is to make it harder for bullets to register on proper hitboxes and make certain moves faster, yet silent. If it was not intended as part of the movement and gameplay, it is cheating. Both in reality and by intent.
If you want to talk about skill. Skill is if all things are EQUAL, one person is better than another. Skill is not something you alias or script, and using said scripts when another does not means using an unfair advantage over another. If you don't think it is an advantage over another player, than why use it in the first place.
So please, STFU and stop bawling about a league with enough class to not bow down and kiss a bunch of kids asses about a rule in their league. You don't like it, well go play for CAL or another league that lets players dictate how the game is played and what rules are to be followed. Really almost all multiplayer gaming has become who can find any command or alias or exploit to give them an advantage, instead of straight up skill vs skill.
Nothing but a bunch of whiny little kids (some adults who are only that by age) who wouldn't know sportsmanship, fair play, ethics or honor is someone stamped on their computer monitor. When I do something, I want it my skill. Not my scripting ability.
Btw, buyscripts are aliased into the game and INTENDED by the Valve...therefore has never been or will be considered cheating.
Too bad its not like the old days, when you could shoot a dirty little cheater down without any legal problems. They were caught cheating and that was enough. How many of you little script kiddies would be dead if that were true lol
remember skill an ability, not something you scripted. When so called professionals are trying to rationalize that exploiting is not a cheat, there is a serious problem.
GG CB and any other league that doesn't put up with that crap.