Everything they flamed the "Euro-Trash" for failing to do, they failed to do themselves :P justiceeeeeeeeeee 8)

noone in bg9 said that it was a 'scrub setup' I think it's more implied that people were claiming it's not counterable with 2346 or 2345, you were reading pretexts wrong.

"noone in bg9"

did Inactive transferred recently?

He will probably blame the pala..

What exactly is it's weakness?

No instant -heal debuff for swaps, not that it matters

I guess it all goes in waves, 2345 is relatively easy to play and has all basic things you need to succeed with a setup. 2346 became popular since the warlock can last much longer and can counter the mage.

The drainburn CLC/Knockout setup is extremely good against teams with warriors/priests and can last extremely long.
Since the warlock pretty much is the only reliable CC that this team has, a rogue counters it very well with their constant stunning and the buff of shadowstep which means that he can stick to the lock pretty much all the time.

When this setup becomes more popular, I guess we will see some new setups rising, something that counters the rogue/druid.

I remember Ming blogging about this a long time ago, where he explained the reasons why rogues were far from a successful class i 5vs5. The reason is simply because the bracket is (was) totally dominated by warriors/palas, which is very hard for a rogue to kill. But since the warlock is an easy target for the rogue and probably the most vital class for a drainburn team to succeed - rogue teams come out on top nowdays.

That's my view on it atleast ;)

There's allready teams going tri healer to counter the rogue teams.
I just think it's dumb that so many teams seem to think that droodrog is near unbeatable when it has obvious weaknesses compared to the more mainstream and tested setups.
The very reason why 2345, 2346 and drainburn has been popular for such a long time is because they have no major weaknesses. Droodrog fits rather nicely into that group but has slightly more apparent weaknesses, which can be covered for with well coordinated cc.

I happen to be a firm believer in simple playstyles though, since good teams will make setting up complicated cc rotations near impossible.

indeed, triheal is a good counter to droodrog ( as you could see in todays 5v5 tournament ( avada lost 0:3 to a triheal team ) ), but triheal teams can´t compete to the normal drainburn / 2345 / 2346 teams imo, so there won´t be so many ppl playing this setup

Not macrod, just hidden on another bar bound to keys.

4 dps died with season 3 pretty much since shadowpriests are too easy to kill with the increase in damage from season 3 gear.

Priest, paladin, ele shammy, mage, warrior.
2346 is where the mage is replaced by a lock.

2345 is a reference to pandemics elemental shamy Noktyn, who only had to press this buttons in order to kill people (2 (bloodlust) 3 (chain lighting) 4 (elemental mastery) 5 (lighting bolt)) when they played war / mage / shamy / priest / pala.
I think thats why this setup is called 2345 !

The explanation is quite close.
Noktyn is however the warrior of Team Pandemic, not the shaman.

yeah right, I was out of my mind when I wrote that :(

Or the fact that Nihilum ran with hunter instead of a shaman?

You see CLC's shaman do quite a lot of healing and most likely also shocking a hell lot of casts. Add heroism as well for better healing my the priest/paladin and you may have the reason why they last a lot longer.

That helps too, but it doesn't change the fact that Nihilum seriously left the rogue alone most of the time. CLC gets the rogue of Helldridge multiple times.

Yes, we did not put enough CC on the rogue. In fact those were one of our worst games vs that setup. They were one of our first games aswell and we were thinking that we got a frostrap so why bother. If you would check our recent games you'd notice that that is not the case :) And CLC doesn't really get the rogue off of the lock for more then a couple of seconds.

well if u are so dumb and can't see the point that whole fight between nihilum and AK was about rogue killing warlock all over again ... sad. Only in 2nd fight Adrasill got scatter shot .. which gave warlock 3 seconds to do smth olololo .. rest of the time he was unable to do anything at all but dot. No1 even touched the rogue :] -1 cc from nihilum and here u go .. outcome is easy to notice